Posted May 2, 2012 11:31 UTC (Wed) by buchanmilne
In reply to: Whither Mandriva?
Parent article: Whither Mandriva?
I have read the post you replied to a number of times, and I can't identify which parts you are actually replying to, any that are factually incorrect, or any that are slanderous. Maybe I am just feeding a drunk troll, but I think I should at least debunk your statements.
we've invested tons of work not only in RPM,
What has been the return on that investment? I mean besides some incompatibility with all important RPM-based distros, and breaking many packages (causing a lot of unncessary work) in working towards the seemingly singular goal of having the cleanest RPM spec files, regardless of anything that might be lost in the process.
but also in KDE, deprecation of legacy perl tools with migration of python in process, have tons of actual R&D in place (compared to Mageia which has pretty much none as historically all of such was mostly conducted by Mandriva employees), only to mention a few things.
So that is why patches to the Mandriva perl tools are being imported from Mageia?
Granted, there needs to be more innovation in Mageia, but there is a lot of work just cleaning up infrastructure-type issues, and plain bug fixing (and keeping up with other developments). These have been the focus until now, but I think after the release of Mageia 2, there will probably be more opportunity for technical innovation.
There's also the lesser known, but crucial fact that laid the premise of Mageia,
You know yourself that some kind of open governance has been years overdue. Both before and after Anne's involvement in Mandriva, Mandriva has had the opportunity to address this. I don't care what the catalyst was, but in Mageia Mandriva users now have a sustainable openly governed distribution to migrate to, that is attempting to maintain and improve the good parts of what was Mandriva.
So far, it seems to be working.
Unfortunately, from my viewpoint, it looks like the community participation at Mandriva is in decline. For example, as a maintainer of a number of packages in the "main" distribution, I don't have any idea of the time lines for 2012 development, nor any idea on what is on the roadmap for 2012 and how I can contribute to that.
On the other hand, Mageia has a schedule (which has mainly been kept, though RC and final release have slipped to accommodate a 3rd beta) and some specs.
I think you can see why at this stage I am prioritising Mageia work over Mandriva work (although I do try and keep them in sync as much as possible).
This again of course sounds like pure slander from someone disgruntled from anyone with the bias against Mandriva,
Hmm, I am still spending some time contributing to Mandriva, and you say the text you are replying to constitutes slander and disgruntlement, and bias against Mandriva? I can't comprehend how you arrive at that conclusion.
For collaboration with Mageia, sharing efforts, inviting them to participate in a bigger foundation with serious commercial backing and such would certainly be welcome and to everyone's interest, but it's simply unrealistic and something few of "us" would be willing to accept if it were lead by people one simply doesn't trust.
Mageia is an openly governed distribution. The fact that Mandriva/Rosa etc. is not prepared to engage with Mageia at all over personal issues seems more of a problem for Mandriva/Rosa than for Mageia.
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