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he who shalt meth with rogues...he who shalt meth with rogues...Posted Apr 26, 2012 22:54 UTC (Thu) by gvy (guest, #11981)In reply to: Whither Mandriva? by proyvind Parent article: Whither Mandriva? I do hope Conectiva folks will know the better way to cope with this mess. Just in case, Eugene Sokolov of ROSA publicly named them "brasils we have" (sounds pretty derogatory in Russian; see a record of 22 Октября, 2011 - 13:46) -- I have that archived just in case since the site is run by one of Reiman's gang members, incidentally. By the way, you personally might be interested in that comment as it illustrates quite a bit of ROSA's PR and public deception strategy...
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he who shalt meth with rogues... Posted Apr 26, 2012 23:43 UTC (Thu) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]
That's not a derogatory term, just an informal contraction. And the whole sentence can be translated "We have Brasilians, Frenchmen, ... working with us".
Certainly not "brasils we have".
he who shalt meth with rogues... Posted Apr 27, 2012 21:59 UTC (Fri) by gvy (guest, #11981) [Link]
Russian is native to me and while I definitely can't read Eugene's lips the overall tone reminded me of "niggaz". The references to Frenchmen happened to be even more harsh though, and I'm not surprised seeing the sort of abusive treatment those not playing along have "earned" there.
Heck, they can't even fulfil what they promise to pay for the job done.
he who shalt meth with rogues... Posted Apr 27, 2012 22:28 UTC (Fri) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]
I'm a native Russian, and this doesn't sound insulting for me. It's one of usual contractions that happen in informal speech.
For example, "kazakhstantsi" ("Kazakhstanians") -> "kazahi" follows the same route.
he who shalt meth with rogueth... Posted May 29, 2012 7:04 UTC (Tue) by gvy (guest, #11981) [Link]
Sorry, I've been to Kazakhstan quite a few times (see wallpapers-mike package in ALT Linux for some proof) and the analogy you give just doesn't hold: the word "kazakhstantsi" is virtually missing in circulation while the nation is referred to as "kazakhi" for a long long time.
If you please, the logical direction is rather the opposite: "stan" means "land", and "kazakh""stan" means "kazakhi's land".
And it still sounds as insulting as Zhyndy Batyr to me. :)
he who shalt meth with rogues... Posted Apr 27, 2012 1:30 UTC (Fri) by proyvind (guest, #74683) [Link]
It's interesting how someone involved with a company that is 100% owned by the former marketing manager of a furniture company, now the current Russian minister of defence, and also amongst these "gang members"* you refer to is able to make such a great degree of fuzz and noise about a former minister of communication for having a 51% share in it's major competing company..
For your deceptive mistranslation, google translates presents me with an entirely different picture from that I actually know based on real insight, as I'm actually personally involved and even mentioned in what you try manipulate the more unbiased translation:
All heads of R & D DEW lot of talk and write in English."
For relations of Conectiva with the Edge-IT team, a more interesting quote from one of theirs is worth mentioning:
* http://www.rumafia.com/person.php?id=146
he who shalt meth with rogues... Posted Apr 27, 2012 22:11 UTC (Fri) by gvy (guest, #11981) [Link]
There are different gangs pretty anywhere money is involved with but it'd be interesting to learn of that 100% number you gave -- whom did you refer to? :)
Re translation, I am a professional interpreter (think a bit more so than google translate) and stand by my words. I should have cited the whole phrase, ack; still it was pretty late in the night already, sorry.
The bit that I offered to you personally was a public statement that DEW's heads "lot of talk and write in English" in spite of you complaining of them taking the discussions away into Russian-speaking places: my point is that this particular "a lot" obviously doesn't sit well enough with the existing team while being touted as an achievement.
For the record, I criticized (and to some extent derailed having somewhat higher level of English knowledge) attempts by a few folks to push English in devel@altlinux *exactly* for "cultural space" reasons: language isn't the thing to fool around with, in short.
And I still wish luck to Mandriva, but obviously not to the raiders.
he who shalt meth with rogues... Posted Apr 27, 2012 23:54 UTC (Fri) by proyvind (guest, #74683) [Link]
Well, I guess I misread the actual size of stake Rostekhnologii acquired in Alt Linux back in 2010, but it's still not something that makes the point moot..
Anyways, I can't remember you ever not conducting your Komissarv/ROSA vendetta in any thread I see you post to, this is just getting sad and pathetic, no matter how right and justified you might've even been initially, you're just making yourself look like a compulsive, sad person.
Get something better to do, I don't think anyone ever cares (except for rolling their eyes, and probably getting really tired) about what you keep repetetively write on and on about the same topics whenever you get the chance, regardless of how off-topic it is and how you completely disregard the actual discussions, articles, threads and what not you pollute with your trolling.
If you want to keep on with this stuff, do it somewhere else where we don't have to listen to it, we have no interest in getting involved in your political feuds with people that most often doesn't directly concern us, but surely your approach is something that we do start to find offensive and slanderous, for which we simply don't think should be the target of..
don't get me wrong but vendetta is a correct term indeed Posted May 29, 2012 7:21 UTC (Tue) by gvy (guest, #11981) [Link]
> but it's still not something that makes the point moot..
It actually does since you implied the decision makers wrongly (if I got you right of course).
Re vendetta, let me see you sit down looking at someone trying to destroy your family. These bastards have taken over the Russian school project in its coutry-wide deployment phase and have failed it horribly doing LOTS of damage to teachers and making lots of them hostile to free software pushed down their throats with no sane support.
These people also tried to steal team members and technology behind our backs -- heck, I personally gave advice on build system to Denis Koryavov since I trusted him and he didn't tell that he works for Komissarov already knowing that I wouldn't support him then.
It's about doing wrong things and spreading lies. And by defending liars you won't gain anything as a honest person (which you are as far as I can tell from our conversations and Jeff's recommendation).
You won't stop me. FYI, Komissarov tried and I know it; but he failed altogether. And *please* do understand that I actually waited for too long before digging out the battle axe in the hopes of their sanity.
But it won't concern only me, when one starts doing wrong it's ever harder to stop. Wish they don't manage to hurt you as much, but look out either.
Good luck Per, and God bless you.
he who shalt meth with rogues... Posted May 29, 2012 20:35 UTC (Tue) by gvy (guest, #11981) [Link]
PS: I'll take your word on Eugene's intent (or the lack thereof).
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