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Not Again, RacismNot Again, RacismPosted Apr 17, 2012 4:17 UTC (Tue) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)In reply to: Not Again, Racism by brianomahoney Parent article: PHP: a fractal of bad design (fuzzy notepad)
I'm a card carrying member of the Communist Party of Russia I can state that the US 'lefties' are non-existent. The US has a right-wing and an extremely-right-wing party.
PS: yes, I really have a membership card, it makes a great conversation starter :) That's why I got it in the first place.
PPS: What? Politics on LWN?!? Are we turning into Slashdot?!??? Help!
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Not Again, Racism, Communism Posted Apr 17, 2012 4:45 UTC (Tue) by brianomahoney (subscriber, #6206) [Link]
Your membership of the Communist party of the erstwhile CCCP is interesting but I would advise keeping your sins from Putin, but is not germain to the discussion except that you are simply unaable to see a point of view other than your own, which is naive and arrogant in the extreem.
No one is telling you what to write in, ML, Lisp ... C++, that is Libertarian just to STFU about others, but we know, and most of us now simply ignore your nonsene.
Thank you for starting the firestorm of intolerance that I wanted to illustrate!
Not Again, Racism, Communism Posted Apr 17, 2012 6:06 UTC (Tue) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]
I'm perfectly able to see others' view, if it's reasonable.
We can argue about usefulness of DSLs or about the ways to extend JS. I can see that ML and Haskell people have some great arguments in favor of their language.
However, your arguments in favor of PHP can be summed as: "Basic is worse than PHP, so PHP is good".
That's kinda... weak.
Not Again, Racism, Communism Posted Apr 17, 2012 20:10 UTC (Tue) by jzbiciak (✭ supporter ✭, #5246) [Link] Or to phrase it as a political joke I've heard here in the states, "Both parties are bad, so vote Republican." (I don't, BTW.) Looking through that (lengthy) article, I think Edsger Dijkstra's comment on BASIC may also apply to people who've only coded in PHP: It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students that have had a prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration. Granted, this is coming from the same person who said gotos are bad without exception. I think reality is a bit more subtle than such stark pronouncements. PHP's suckiness, though, appears to be anything but subtle. Glad I stayed away from it.
Mentally mutilated Posted Apr 18, 2012 15:59 UTC (Wed) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link] I am probably tainted by my humble beginnings with Amstrad BASIC, but I have programmed in Pascal, Perl, Python, C, Java, JavaScript, PL/SQL, even Bash; but I kind of like PHP. It lets you do what you want quickly and it is not so full of itself as Python.That is all. I just wanted to add a Leftist vote for PHP. Please don't flame me.
Mentally mutilated Posted Apr 18, 2012 18:11 UTC (Wed) by juliank (subscriber, #45896) [Link]
You started with BASIC? You know, "It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students that have had a prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration."
Mentally mutilated Posted Apr 18, 2012 18:34 UTC (Wed) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link] Well, what can you do. At least it was not Visual Basic; and my first programs were really Spectrum Basic. Actually I have very fond memories of GFA basic. When I recoded the 3D graphic application I did for the Atari ST in 68k assembler, for speed gains, I was ultimately unable to debug it, probably due to the massive brain damage inflicted by the various Basic dialects.That was when I was young and agile, now that I am older I have learned not to do anything too clever in my code.
Not Again, Racism, Communism Posted Apr 17, 2012 11:19 UTC (Tue) by AndreE (subscriber, #60148) [Link]
I think I know whose nonsense most of us will be ignoring from now on.
Not Again, Racism Posted Apr 18, 2012 16:13 UTC (Wed) by tjc (subscriber, #137) [Link] The US has a right-wing and an extremely-right-wing party. That's an interesting perspective. Placing myself into your view of the U.S. political system leaves me pining for an extra extreme right-wing party. :)
Not Again, Racism Posted Apr 19, 2012 14:03 UTC (Thu) by nye (guest, #51576) [Link]
>That's an interesting perspective. Placing myself into your view of the U.S. political system leaves me pining for an extra extreme right-wing party. :)
I'm confused - are you saying that you want a party even more right-wing than the US Republican party or have I misunderstood?
(BTW from the UK perspective I believe the US Democrat party would probably be unelectably right-wing.)
Not Again, Racism Posted Apr 19, 2012 14:51 UTC (Thu) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link] I'm not sure the Democrats are that much to the right of Maggie's incarnation of the Tories.
Not Again, Racism Posted Apr 21, 2012 15:47 UTC (Sat) by tjc (subscriber, #137) [Link]
> I'm confused -
You said it, not me. ;)
> are you saying that you want a party even more right-wing than the US Republican party or have I misunderstood?
Yes. A party that runs up 4.9 trillion dollars in debt in just 8 years (2000-2008) is not conserving anything.
please cut the politics Posted Apr 21, 2012 16:24 UTC (Sat) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
this isn't the appropriate place for such things
please cut the politics Posted Apr 22, 2012 22:12 UTC (Sun) by tjc (subscriber, #137) [Link]
Fear not: I shall not don my hairy breeches and begin preaching, at least not this time. :)
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