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Debian's diversity statementDebian's diversity statementPosted Apr 10, 2012 21:02 UTC (Tue) by roskegg (subscriber, #105)In reply to: Debian's diversity statement by micah Parent article: Debian's diversity statement
First, you need to be a citizen in one of the German or Scandinavian countries. Or work for a university. Take a poll of your fellow Debian Developers, see how many are getting government funding.
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Debian's diversity statement Posted Apr 11, 2012 16:36 UTC (Wed) by micah (subscriber, #20908) [Link]
I asked all the german and scandanavian ones that I know and none of them were. Care to share your data or methodology for how you determined with such certainty something that I can't seem to verify with my (admittedly small) sample?
Debian's diversity statement Posted Apr 11, 2012 18:43 UTC (Wed) by roskegg (subscriber, #105) [Link]
Expand your sample. And explain how you are defining "Government funding". Things that are considered state payouts in North America may not be considered such over there.
Debian's diversity statement Posted Apr 11, 2012 18:51 UTC (Wed) by roskegg (subscriber, #105) [Link]
As an example of what I mean, students who are attending university are generally having their tuition and living expenses paid by the welfare state in the Scandinavian and Germanic countries. And then the government has special funds for the "hobby" clubs that these students join. To me, that is government funding. The Linux kernel itself was government funded in just such a way.
Then look at the various Debian Developers who work on other projects that are government funded, that tie into their Debian work. Andrei Schuldei comes to mind. Sure, they aren't funding him to work directly on Debian... or are they? It ends up amounting to that, since his product is directly based on Debian. In fact, his distribution is even included in Debian, last time I installed it.
Next, look at the corporate sponsors of Debian. It shouldn't be hard. They are quite big and well known.
Debian's diversity statement Posted Apr 12, 2012 2:55 UTC (Thu) by motk (subscriber, #51120) [Link]
This is a valuable insight into the plight of mental illness and personality disorders. Thank you.
Debian's diversity statement Posted Apr 12, 2012 5:35 UTC (Thu) by viro (subscriber, #7872) [Link]
Wait a minute. For that to work as you seem to imply, these folks would have to be seriously afraid of their tuition being withdrawn by .se/.de/whatnot government for contributing to a project that happens to have you as a contributor. Are you serious? And no, "we owe the government for free tuition, so we'll do whatever it takes to keep it happy" doesn't cut it - the sense of entitlement takes care of that one nicely, negating any kind of "we owe..." sentiments.
Sheesh... I've seen professional victims, but this goes beyond all but a very few of them...
Debian's diversity statement Posted Apr 12, 2012 9:51 UTC (Thu) by roskegg (subscriber, #105) [Link]
Deny it all you like, I heard such fears expressed in person at Debconf, and earlier on the Debian communication channels.
Debian's diversity statement Posted Apr 14, 2012 8:03 UTC (Sat) by motk (subscriber, #51120) [Link]
I've also heard that you might be a necrophiliac cannibal. Deny it all you like. I've heard it in many reputable channels.
Debian's diversity statement Posted Apr 13, 2012 13:28 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
It's better than that. He said government *or* corporate. So if you're working on Debian while employed by anybody, or a student, or faculty, or employed by any state in any capacity whatsoever, or unemployed and on benefits, or as far as I can tell anything other than living off inherited wealth while explicitly declining all government benefits, you are yourself a sign of Debian's innate decay.
(I don't entirely understand how Debian differs in this respect from RH, or Ubuntu, or Windows, or indeed almost any other human endeavour ever. I suppose if you work on Debian while working for a cartoon supervillain you might be safe, since they rarely bother to set up corporations.)
Debian's diversity statement Posted Apr 12, 2012 7:52 UTC (Thu) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link] As an example of what I mean, students who are attending university are generally having their tuition and living expenses paid by the welfare state in the Scandinavian and Germanic countries. With respect, this is untrue. State universities in Germany for the most part do not charge students tuition, but no way did the »welfare state« pick up my living expenses when I was a student. (Demonstrably needy students can get a certain amount of support but at least part of that must be paid back after graduation. This applies to about 1 student out of 4. On the other hand, about 2 students out of 3 have a part-time job in order to support themselves.)
Debian's diversity statement Posted Apr 12, 2012 10:47 UTC (Thu) by spaetz (subscriber, #32870) [Link]
>To me, that is government funding. The Linux kernel itself was government funded in just such a way.
And that makes it evil how? Did the Finnish government influence the design of the kernel?
Now, if the whole Internet architecture development were North American government funded, that would have been truly evil. Oh wait.... :-)
Debian's diversity statement Posted Apr 13, 2012 16:21 UTC (Fri) by micah (subscriber, #20908) [Link]
I think you have proven my point just fine, thanks.
Debian's diversity statement Posted Apr 12, 2012 5:40 UTC (Thu) by The_Barbarian (subscriber, #48152) [Link]
Cool, thanks for the tip! I hope to be a DD at some point, and I have long thought about a move to Scandinavia anyway!
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