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GNOME 3.4 releasedGNOME 3.4 releasedPosted Mar 28, 2012 19:07 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333)In reply to: GNOME 3.4 released by spaetz Parent article: GNOME 3.4 released
So you don't have to go back and manually rebuild your session back to what you were working on before you shutdown.
It's instantaneous and it's like you never left.
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GNOME 3.4 released Posted Mar 28, 2012 19:20 UTC (Wed) by spaetz (subscriber, #32870) [Link]
> So you don't have to go back and manually rebuild your session back to what you were working on before you left..
That "convenience" costs me around 25watt*14h*365*0.3€/kWh ~ 40€/year, nah I`ll pass :-) .
GNOME 3.4 released Posted Mar 28, 2012 21:14 UTC (Wed) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link] Come on, €40/year is not much. Now, those 127 kwh become 67 kg of CO2 a year. If GNOME shell became really popular and was used by, say, 200 million users with your same habits, that would be about 25 GWh/year, or 13 million metric tons of CO2 delivered to the atmosphere. I have not got to converting that to degrees of global heating but it does not look good.News flash! GNOME shell does not scale!
GNOME 3.4 released Posted Mar 29, 2012 16:14 UTC (Thu) by cortana (subscriber, #24596) [Link] Assuming we are on the IPCC's A1F scenario (which seems easy day terrifyingly more like an idealistic of what could have been rather than a doomsday scenario), then the global mean temperature anomaly in 2300 is increased by much less than 1 * 10^-5 degrees C (the margin of error of my model). So we can fortunately let GNOME 3 off the hook for any noticeable damage to the planet. :) Source: the climate model used in Fate of the World, adapted from work performed by Dr. Myles Allen [Allen, M. R. et al (2009) Warming caused by cumulative carbon emissions towards the trillionth tonne, Nature, 458:1163-1166]
GNOME 3.4 released Posted Mar 29, 2012 20:26 UTC (Thu) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link] Thanks for the detailed computations.News flash! GNOME shell is not dangerous to the planet, after all! New data confirms that computer suspend is harmless to the planet (but might be relevant to your pocket), page 5.
GNOME 3.4 released Posted Mar 29, 2012 21:44 UTC (Thu) by pboddie (subscriber, #50784) [Link]
Sure, you can always say that the atmosphere or climate won't change, but that won't magic up the power generation capacity to let everyone have their computers on suspend because the shutdown option is non-discoverable. Of course, when the battery runs out during one of the frequent black-outs, the computer will shut down the natural way, so maybe there is method to the madness after all.
GNOME 3.4 released Posted Mar 28, 2012 19:46 UTC (Wed) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link]
that is what session management is for.
GNOME 3.4 released Posted Mar 28, 2012 20:02 UTC (Wed) by rgmoore (subscriber, #75) [Link] Now if they can just get fix all the programs so they pay attention to system management, we'll be somewhere. Evolution is the one that bugs me; I don't want to have to restart it manually every time I log on because it isn't smart enough to restart itself.
GNOME 3.4 released Posted Mar 29, 2012 6:19 UTC (Thu) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
> that is what session management is for.
No it isn't and it never worked on any OS. Suspend is fair superior.
GNOME 3.4 released Posted Mar 29, 2012 9:22 UTC (Thu) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link]
Just because it doesn't work in the apps you use does not mean it is not useful. To me it seems a weird attitude: "it doesn't work in my favorite applications so it's probably not an useful feature"
It IS a very useful feature. I suspend my laptop most of the time, but when I have to reboot (say after an update) I don't have to start my apps and open my documents again. Nice. On my desktop it is even better - I don't use suspend (it boots up fast enough) so I like to not have to open my 20 apps again. Hell, I wouldn't use a web browser without session support, would you?
On my media center it's even worse as suspend there kills the HDMI output so I have to shut it down to save the trees. Session management means I continue where I left off...
The fact that you prefer to spend time with things others rather have their computer do for them doesn't mean it's an useless feature. I've got work to do, you know...
GNOME 3.4 released Posted Mar 29, 2012 10:35 UTC (Thu) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
> Just because it doesn't work in the apps you use does not mean it is not useful. To me it seems a weird attitude: "it doesn't work in my favorite applications so it's probably not an useful feature"
It seems weird that you think that I said it wasn't useful when I never said anything of the sort. I am just saying it's fundamentally broken.
The fact that a few programs implement something like it in a fairly useful manner is besides the point entirely.
> Hell, I wouldn't use a web browser without session support, would you?
Despite all your assumptions and attempts to change the subject I wouldn't even notice or care, personally. Other people seem to find it useful, but that's besides the point, again.
> The fact that you prefer to spend time with things others rather have their computer do for them doesn't mean it's an useless feature. I've got work to do, you know...
Why would I spend time struggling with a feature that never worked and is never going to work for most of the applications I use when I have something that is much faster and actually works for all of them?
If I run into bugged out hardware or actually find myself caring about the minuscule amount of power it takes to maintain my ram state in my laptop then I can always just change the default to 'suspend to swap'.
GNOME 3.4 released Posted Mar 31, 2012 14:33 UTC (Sat) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link]
I don't get it. There are just a few broken applications where this doesn't work - Novell's GroupWise, Inkscape and Gimp are the only three I can think off right now on my system. Actually, I believe this used to work in Gimp, they just broke it at some point. So you saying that it doesn't work is just silly.
So the few app maintainers which have been incapable of implementing this just need a gentle push - or a patch. At that point, we can save trees and make the reboot experience nicer - you don't have to loose all your state anymore.
Much more important, the session capabilities are put to use in a far more innovative way: Activities. Being able to save the state of a group of your applications and stopping/starting them based on what you're working on, and even more cool, moving it all to another device, is something really new and useful.
Imagine - you're at work, and are working on a task but don't want to miss the train. Transfer your work (not just the files but the whole session) to another device (say laptop, or tablet, if your desktop is smart enough to adapt to such a device) and keep working in the train!
You might think it's not possible. Maybe start using less obsolete software? Because it is - and millions of users on Linux are using it already as it was introduced on the Linux desktop years ago... This is from September 2010:
And may 2011:
(granted, the moving of activities from one system to the next isn't possible yet, but managing and using them on one system works just fine)
I think it's time to look at a calendar: yes, it is 2012 and your computer can do more than you think. Trowing around workarounds like suspend are imho just a bad excuse for unwillingness to adopt new, good, useful technologies. The idea that shutting down the computer means loosing everything you were working on is DOS era stuff. Does the fact that MS and Apple can't get their act together mean we have to be similarly restricted?
GNOME 3.4 released Posted Mar 29, 2012 15:57 UTC (Thu) by davide.del.vento (guest, #59196) [Link]
+1 (have to add the parentheses since LWN comment system force me to write a longer comment)
GNOME 3.4 released Posted Mar 29, 2012 21:51 UTC (Thu) by blujay (guest, #39961) [Link]
Maybe the system is trying to tell you something... ;)
GNOME 3.4 released Posted Mar 28, 2012 20:57 UTC (Wed) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630) [Link] The GNOME Overlords have DECREED that thou shalt NOT power your computer off. The GNOME Overlords further DECREE that all BLASPHEMERS who express such SICK and TWISTED desires shall choose between banishment to Extension-Land and carpal-tunnel syndrome from sixty-two mouse-clicks while holding down Ctrl-Alt-Shift-Meta-Windows to satisfy their BLASPHEMY. (It's a joke... don't get upset! :))
GNOME 3.4 released Posted Mar 28, 2012 22:51 UTC (Wed) by hadess (subscriber, #24252) [Link]
> (It's a joke... don't get upset! :))
When you need to say that it's a joke, then it's usually not that good a joke.
GNOME 3.4 released Posted Mar 29, 2012 12:57 UTC (Thu) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630) [Link] It wasn't a very good joke, but had I not made the disclaimer, there'd have been a thread sixty messages deep from touchy GNOME developers.
GNOME 3.4 released Posted Mar 29, 2012 13:01 UTC (Thu) by hadess (subscriber, #24252) [Link]
> It wasn't a very good joke, but had I not made the disclaimer, there'd have been a thread
> sixty messages deep from touchy GNOME developers.
Those touchy GNOME developers that think this joke isn't funny.
GNOME 3.4 released Posted Mar 29, 2012 13:10 UTC (Thu) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630) [Link] If you say so.
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