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Cinnamon 1.4 releasedCinnamon 1.4 releasedPosted Mar 20, 2012 14:48 UTC (Tue) by khim (subscriber, #9252)In reply to: Cinnamon 1.4 released by Cato Parent article: Cinnamon 1.4 released
On Visual Basic, I meant that the new desktop / OS version doesn't force a new development model at least from WinXP to Win7. Yes, it does. You can not use Win7 features from Visual Basic. Your only recourse is to switch to different, incompatible version which shares little more then name with it's predecessor. Most apps run without problems. This is separate issue. Microsoft is obsessed with backward compatibility (and rightfully so), but it introduces new, incompatible, technologies pretty often. And exactly between Windows XP and Windows 7 Visual Basic was retired and replaced with different, incompatible, best. With GNOME3, I can't even run my old applets, whereas a Windows tray application (though probably harder to develop) will just work. Apples and oranges, sorry. Show me desktop applets running in Windows 7 - and then you'll have a case.
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Cinnamon 1.4 released Posted Mar 20, 2012 15:15 UTC (Tue) by Cato (subscriber, #7643) [Link]
My point is that an old Visual Basic app running in the Windows tray doesn't need to do anything special to *run* under Win7. We are talking about backward compatibility here, not access to new features such as taskbar pinning etc. Of course it is nicer if the old app can access new features without being rewritten, but simply running on the new OS is better than the GNOME 2 to 3 transition.
Cinnamon 1.4 released Posted Mar 20, 2012 15:56 UTC (Tue) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link] My point is that an old Visual Basic app running in the Windows tray doesn't need to do anything special to *run* under Win7. Sure - but this is no different in GNOME: you can run GTK2 applications under GNOME3 just fine. We are talking about backward compatibility here, not access to new features such as taskbar pinning etc. This all depends on level of integration. Lightly-integrated programs (VB for Windows, GTK2 for Linux) work just fine with GNOME3. Tightly-integrated applets are broken in both GNOME2 to GNOME3 transition and in Windows XP to Windows 7 (as I've pointed above). Of course there are huge practical difference: very few users used Microsoft's HTML applets but a lot of users used GNOME2 applets.
Cinnamon 1.4 released Posted Mar 20, 2012 18:13 UTC (Tue) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950) [Link]
As said before, an applet is not the same as the Windows systray. You're comparing different things.
Cinnamon 1.4 released Posted Mar 21, 2012 10:09 UTC (Wed) by slashdot (guest, #22014) [Link]
Windows taskbar "applets" (aka custom toolbars in the taskbar) still function in Windows 7 just fine, although almost nobody used them.
Only GNOME 3 decided to break compatibility for no reason.
It's also the only desktop that requires 3D acceleration, making it unusable in most virtual machines and other environments that don't want to run a messy OpenGL stack just so that GNOME can masturbate better.
Cinnamon 1.4 released Posted Mar 21, 2012 10:26 UTC (Wed) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950) [Link]
So you agree that the notification area still works. Good!
Now, you specifically say Windows 7. In Windows 8, there are 2 modes. The Metro one, where I think no taskbar exists and entire programs have to be rewritten. Aside from that, there is another mode working like Windows 7.
Seems overly similar to GNOME 3 and fallback mode to me. Except that in GNOME 3, your GNOME 2 applications actually will still work. As your XFCE ones, KDE, and more.
Now you also seem focussed on masturbation. Really, TMI, ok?
Cinnamon 1.4 released Posted Mar 21, 2012 11:36 UTC (Wed) by slashdot (guest, #22014) [Link]
Except that in Windows 8 they both run at once and the desktop functions mostly as normal, with the only removed thing being the Start Menu in favor of what is basically a full screen version of it.
Also, Windows 8 got several articles (rightfully) claiming that some of the changes suck, so it's not clear whether they'll actually release it in the state it is in the Customer Preview.
And if they do release it in that state, it's not clear whether people will buy it, and whether those who do so will simply install 3rd party software that restores the Start Menu, and allows to run Metro apps in a window.
Remember that even Windows Vista, which didn't remove anything and was a strict improvement except for some performance aspects, had trouble being accepted.
Cinnamon 1.4 released Posted Mar 21, 2012 12:59 UTC (Wed) by slashdot (guest, #22014) [Link]
Just like GNOME 3, btw.
For example, Tom's Hardware "GNOME 3: Why It Failed":
So, yeah, just give up.
Drop the GNOME 3 and GNOME Shell names ASAP, which are damaged beyond repair, and quickly move to release a GNOME 4 that fully works like GNOME 2 by default and with full support, and allows to opt-in to any new features in a modular fashion.
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