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Weir: Where did the time go?Weir: Where did the time go?Posted Mar 14, 2012 15:33 UTC (Wed) by Zizzle (guest, #67739)Parent article: Weir: Where did the time go?
I see this guy as a corporate shill.
Spruiking to get rid the copyleft code from OOo so IBM can pillage some free volunteer work.
I might have to start a policy where I submit a (copyleft) patch to LibreOffice every time this guy blogs something negative about LO.
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Weir: Where did the time go? Posted Mar 14, 2012 16:56 UTC (Wed) by pboddie (subscriber, #50784) [Link]
Yes, I guess that "downstream consumers of Apache OpenOffice have maximum flexibility" isn't referring to the end-users: they just have to take what they are given. Bill Gates surely approves.
Weir: Where did the time go? Posted Mar 14, 2012 18:55 UTC (Wed) by Ed_L. (guest, #24287) [Link] You may see Rob Weir as a corporate shill. And yes, he is indeed an employee of IBM. From his blog:I am also a member of the American Philatelic Society, the United States Chess Federation, the Massachusetts Horticultural Society, the American Daffodil Society, the American Homebrewers Association, the New England Historic Genealogical Society, the ACM, the OASIS ODF TC (Chair), the OASIS ODF Adoption TC, the OASIS ODF Interoperability and Conformance TC, INCITS V1, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34, and a trained SkyWarn weather spotter. I play trombone, bagpipes, didgeridoo and ukulele rather poorly, and recorder rather well. Whether or nor I sing is as yet an unresolved question...Please note Rob's OASIS ODF participation and (may I add) tireless leadership in the ODF/OOXML wars, a community contribution by both Rob and IBM not all of us have yet forgotten. Thanks.
Weir: Where did the time go? Posted Mar 14, 2012 19:59 UTC (Wed) by oever (subscriber, #987) [Link]
Having both LibreOffice and the Apache Office is a boon in my opinion. The ODF specification is very important in allowing the user to open en edit their documents in different programs. The work of the ODF TC which Rob chair is very important in this regard.
Public strife generates clicks, but a lot of cooperation between the offices is fruitful. Having choice is a nice result.
Weir: Where did the time go? Posted Mar 15, 2012 6:31 UTC (Thu) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
bagpipe player! BAGPIPE PLAYER!
If there is one thing worse than being accused of being a corporate shill... its being a self-professed bagpipe player.
And there is only one thing worse than being a bagpipe player. I guy who curls wearing traditional bagpipe playing clothing.
-jef"No i don't care that the Scottish actually invented curling. I never ever...ever...want to see a man wearing a traditional kilt prepping to throw a curling stone again. So many bad angles and things moving around unrestrained"spaleta
Bagpipes! Posted Mar 15, 2012 8:52 UTC (Thu) by Seegras (subscriber, #20463) [Link]
WTF is "traditional bagpipe playing clothing" supposed to be? An afghan Pakul? Galician Slops? Maroccan Jelabah? Or a medieval "Cotte"?
http://www4.uwm.edu/celtic/ekeltoi/volumes/vol6/6_18/imag...
Just in case you haven't heard of it, the bagpipe happened to be played from north africa to scandinavia, from portugal to asia. They came probably from the middle east, and only arrived in england in the 14th century, when the rest of europe was already happily bagpiping. Today, the biggest producer of bagpipes is - Pakistan!
(Note for the record, so you can't accuse me of being a bagpipe-shill on grounds of suspicion of being a bagpipe-player: I don't play bagpipes. But I play shawm and bombard. Search for them up on youtube if you don't know how these sound. Most people are horrified ;))
Bagpipes! Posted Mar 15, 2012 11:41 UTC (Thu) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link] And also incidentally there is no such thing as »the bagpipe«. It is about as well-defined a concept as »the car«. (PS. I'm also not a bagpipe player. I agree that if bagpipes aren't your cup of tea, you will definitely want to give bombards, which are essentially bagpipes without the bag or drones and optimised for ear-splittingness, a wide berth. A couple of kilometers should do it.)
Weir: Where did the time go? Posted Mar 14, 2012 20:50 UTC (Wed) by Wol (guest, #4433) [Link]
Well, actually, what you're describing is far from reality ...
Firstly there is next to no copyleft code in OpenOffice to be got rid of. The reality is most of the code was written by Sun - outside contributions weren't welcome, so the motives you ascribe to Rob/IBM are utterly pointless.
And secondly, if you do submit a copyleft patch to LO, chances are it'll be rejected on licencing grounds. The primary LO licence is not the (L)GPL but the MPL. Which is a pretty weak copyleft, merely saying that if you can keep your changes in a separate source file, then you don't have to release those, but any source files you do change have to be released.
I'm not impressed with Rob's LO-bashing, I admit, but if you want to do some Rob-bashing it helps if you don't embarass yourself with your lack of knowledge of LO.
Cheers,
Weir: Where did the time go? Posted Mar 15, 2012 0:12 UTC (Thu) by Zizzle (guest, #67739) [Link]
> Well, actually, what you're describing is far from reality ...
[citation needed]
Let's see.
> Firstly there is next to no copyleft code in OpenOffice to be got rid of.
But the article says:
> Take a look at the box called "Removal of copyleft".
So what they removing?
Surely they too must be "far from reality"... they should have got a reality lesson from the great Wol first who would have told them there is no copyleft in OOo and they could have avoided that work.
> And secondly, if you do submit a copyleft patch to LO, chances are it'll be rejected on licencing grounds.
[citation needed]
I guess LibreOffice themselves must be "far from reality" too...
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/License_Policy
> If you want to license your code under a different license as well please discuss it on the development list first. If you really must then:
Guess what, there is already GPL code in LO.
The standard LO licence is LGPL/MPL.
But it seems Mozilla is also "far from reality" also.
http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/2.0/FAQ.html
> Q1: What is the Mozilla Public License?
My patches have been under LGPL/MPL which most people in my "far from reality" consider copyleft. They made it into the LibreOffice 3.5 release. I suspect it's a feature that OOo won't have any time soon - especially considering it was in their bug tracker untouched for 6 years and now they wont touch anything that isn't apache licenced.
But hey, I guess that's just me being "far from reality".
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