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(Nearly) full tickless operation in 3.10
Spruiking to get rid the copyleft code from OOo so IBM can pillage some free volunteer work.
I might have to start a policy where I submit a (copyleft) patch to LibreOffice every time this guy blogs something negative about LO.
Weir: Where did the time go?
Posted Mar 14, 2012 16:56 UTC (Wed) by pboddie (subscriber, #50784)
Posted Mar 14, 2012 18:55 UTC (Wed) by Ed_L. (guest, #24287)
I am also a member of the American Philatelic Society, the United States Chess Federation, the Massachusetts Horticultural Society, the American Daffodil Society, the American Homebrewers Association, the New England Historic Genealogical Society, the ACM, the OASIS ODF TC (Chair), the OASIS ODF Adoption TC, the OASIS ODF Interoperability and Conformance TC, INCITS V1, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34, and a trained SkyWarn weather spotter. I play trombone, bagpipes, didgeridoo and ukulele rather poorly, and recorder rather well. Whether or nor I sing is as yet an unresolved question...
Posted Mar 14, 2012 19:59 UTC (Wed) by oever (subscriber, #987)
Public strife generates clicks, but a lot of cooperation between the offices is fruitful. Having choice is a nice result.
Posted Mar 15, 2012 6:31 UTC (Thu) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639)
If there is one thing worse than being accused of being a corporate shill... its being a self-professed bagpipe player.
And there is only one thing worse than being a bagpipe player. I guy who curls wearing traditional bagpipe playing clothing.
-jef"No i don't care that the Scottish actually invented curling. I never ever...ever...want to see a man wearing a traditional kilt prepping to throw a curling stone again. So many bad angles and things moving around unrestrained"spaleta
Posted Mar 15, 2012 8:52 UTC (Thu) by Seegras (subscriber, #20463)
Just in case you haven't heard of it, the bagpipe happened to be played from north africa to scandinavia, from portugal to asia. They came probably from the middle east, and only arrived in england in the 14th century, when the rest of europe was already happily bagpiping. Today, the biggest producer of bagpipes is - Pakistan!
(Note for the record, so you can't accuse me of being a bagpipe-shill on grounds of suspicion of being a bagpipe-player: I don't play bagpipes. But I play shawm and bombard. Search for them up on youtube if you don't know how these sound. Most people are horrified ;))
Posted Mar 15, 2012 11:41 UTC (Thu) by anselm (subscriber, #2796)
And also incidentally there is no such thing as »the bagpipe«. It is about as well-defined a concept as »the car«.
(PS. I'm also not a bagpipe player. I agree that if bagpipes aren't your cup of tea, you will definitely want to give bombards, which are essentially bagpipes without the bag or drones and optimised for ear-splittingness, a wide berth. A couple of kilometers should do it.)
Posted Mar 14, 2012 20:50 UTC (Wed) by Wol (guest, #4433)
Firstly there is next to no copyleft code in OpenOffice to be got rid of. The reality is most of the code was written by Sun - outside contributions weren't welcome, so the motives you ascribe to Rob/IBM are utterly pointless.
And secondly, if you do submit a copyleft patch to LO, chances are it'll be rejected on licencing grounds. The primary LO licence is not the (L)GPL but the MPL. Which is a pretty weak copyleft, merely saying that if you can keep your changes in a separate source file, then you don't have to release those, but any source files you do change have to be released.
I'm not impressed with Rob's LO-bashing, I admit, but if you want to do some Rob-bashing it helps if you don't embarass yourself with your lack of knowledge of LO.
Posted Mar 15, 2012 0:12 UTC (Thu) by Zizzle (guest, #67739)
> Firstly there is next to no copyleft code in OpenOffice to be got rid of.
But the article says:
> Take a look at the box called "Removal of copyleft".
So what they removing?
Surely they too must be "far from reality"... they should have got a reality lesson from the great Wol first who would have told them there is no copyleft in OOo and they could have avoided that work.
> And secondly, if you do submit a copyleft patch to LO, chances are it'll be rejected on licencing grounds.
I guess LibreOffice themselves must be "far from reality" too...
> If you want to license your code under a different license as well please discuss it on the development list first. If you really must then:
> (a) Please choose a license that
> (i) is already used for code in LibreOffice (so is already in <readlicence.oo/txt/licence.txt>)
Guess what, there is already GPL code in LO.
The standard LO licence is LGPL/MPL.
But it seems Mozilla is also "far from reality" also.
> Q1: What is the Mozilla Public License?
> The MPL is a simple copyleft license.
My patches have been under LGPL/MPL which most people in my "far from reality" consider copyleft. They made it into the LibreOffice 3.5 release. I suspect it's a feature that OOo won't have any time soon - especially considering it was in their bug tracker untouched for 6 years and now they wont touch anything that isn't apache licenced.
But hey, I guess that's just me being "far from reality".
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