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Raymond and Perens respond to SCORaymond and Perens respond to SCOPosted Sep 10, 2003 15:02 UTC (Wed) by sphealey (guest, #1028)Parent article: Raymond and Perens respond to SCO Who exactly appointed or elected Eric Raymond as the spokesman for the "open source community"? Other than himself? sPh
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Give him a break Posted Sep 10, 2003 15:10 UTC (Wed) by dwalters (guest, #4207) [Link] Come on, please. Give him a break. Both ESR and Bruce Perens work tirelessly in the cause of Open Source.Maybe you don't agree with everything Eric says, but he does seem to have the ear of some people at SCO, so let's support him, and Bruce Perens in their efforts.
Give him a break Posted Sep 10, 2003 22:49 UTC (Wed) by Baylink (subscriber, #755) [Link] > so let's support him, and Bruce Perens in their efforts.or, take his job, please.
Raymond and Perens respond to SCO Posted Sep 10, 2003 15:25 UTC (Wed) by tjc (guest, #137) [Link] I don't agree with some of the things Eric says, but this letter is definitely Eric at his best. It's accurate and succinct, with a sharp edge. It seems that Eric and Bruce produce their finest when they work together.
Raymond and Perens respond to SCO Posted Sep 10, 2003 19:14 UTC (Wed) by xorbe (subscriber, #3165) [Link] I agree. This hit the nail on the head, big time.Awesome work guys. A letter to be proud of. /xorbe
Raymond and Perens respond to SCO Posted Sep 10, 2003 15:30 UTC (Wed) by euvitudo (guest, #98) [Link] Do you have a suggestion for a "better" spokesperson? I appreciate the work the ESR and BP do in furthering the cause of FS/OSS.I think that their letter was very professional and to the point. Can, and if so, will you do the same? I repeat, who shall you elect to be "our" spokesperson? Cheers!
Raymond and Perens respond to SCO Posted Sep 10, 2003 15:32 UTC (Wed) by forthy (guest, #1525) [Link] Well, spokesman obviously is a voluntary project. spokesman 1.0 was created by RMS,and he claimed to be the spokesman of the Free Software Community. spokesman 2.0 is incompatible with spokesman 1.0, and claims to be spokesman of the Open Source Community. spokesman 1.0 can talk to volunteers, spokesman 2.0 can talk to business people who order people to "volunteer" (like the Netscape team). spokesman 1.0 has contributed a number of complex and big programs (GCC and GNU Emacs being the biggest ones), while spokesman 2.0 has maintained a small and simple program, by making it smaller and simpler.
Raymond and Perens respond to SCO Posted Sep 10, 2003 15:38 UTC (Wed) by paul (guest, #14971) [Link] Your comment "Who exactly appointed or elected Eric Raymond as the spokesman for the "open source community"? Other than himself?" is both ridiculous and not useful. There is no specific "spokesman" for opensource. We are a community of individuals who speak for ourselves. As you may note Eric and Bruce were both named in SCO's open letter. They were simply speaking for themselves and for anyone in the community who appreciates there work, which I am one. These accusations of SCO MUST be answered. We are not all in a position to do so. If you do not agree with the position that these men have given, then publicly state your own position on SCO and stop bashing those that do.
Raymond and Perens respond to SCO Posted Sep 11, 2003 9:41 UTC (Thu) by hppnq (subscriber, #14462) [Link] Mr McBride in his letter really seems to be talking to the corporate world -- to the decision makers who are seriously considering either buying a SCO license or refraining from using Linux. The letter is deliberately and explicitly addressed to "the" Open Source Community, and it accuses this group of people as a whole of participating in criminal acts, as if there were such a group.That, of course, is what he would like these decision makers to believe: that there is a conspiring group of hairy communists out there, who spend their time setting up DoS attacks and stealing code in a desperate attempt to get corporations to use their (stolen) software. SCO's letter is filled with lies, insinuations and slander like this. We -- the Open Source Commmunity, whatever it may be -- know that all this is ridiculous, but do the decision makers know it too? Mr McBride apparently (and maybe rightly) believes that in this respect the Open Source community is very much a sitting duck -- it can never defend itself against these accusations (it's sort of like an analog DoS ;-). That's why it is important that there are a few people who can and do respond, even though I do not agree with them completely. Hey, it's almost like politics. (If I ever get my OSC membership card, I'd like to have proper elections. ;-)
Raymond and Perens respond to SCO Posted Sep 10, 2003 15:55 UTC (Wed) by dbhost (guest, #3461) [Link] While I don't agree with everything that I have seen ESR or BP say, and they often publicly disagree with each other on a variety of issues, when the rubber meets the road, these two are both excellent spokespersons for the cause. If we had to have elections, I would certainly vote for both of these gentlemen as they are providing excellent results. Their public statements are well researched, and well thought out, not just knee jerk reactions and spur of the moment insinuations. What better spokespeople for Open Source / Free Software can you conjure up?
Raymond and Perens respond to SCO Posted Sep 10, 2003 17:19 UTC (Wed) by jdthood (guest, #4157) [Link] Note that Raymond and Perens were both mentioned by name in the letter to which they are replying. This gives them additional standing to make a public reply. The reason that their letter warrants a LWN headline while our comments do not ... I leave to you to discern.
Raymond and Perens respond to SCO Posted Sep 10, 2003 17:34 UTC (Wed) by torsten (guest, #4137) [Link] The "Open Source" Community is a community of individuals. If you don't agree with ESR and BP, write your own response, and send it to Dary.TEH
Raymond and Perens respond to SCO Posted Sep 10, 2003 17:38 UTC (Wed) by toon (guest, #511) [Link] > Who exactly appointed or elected Eric Raymond as the spokesman> for the "open source community" ? Holy smoke, Batman ! ESR *defined* the open source community, by I am not a member of that community (I'm a Free Software Developer), Toon Moene (current GNU Fortran maintainer). Excellent job, BTW, that reply to the SCO Open Letter.
Raymond and Perens respond to SCO Posted Sep 10, 2003 23:09 UTC (Wed) by zen (guest, #222) [Link] Perhaps remember that we are more powerful as a community to the extent we consider ourselves a community and can cooperate on issues as a community, rather than separate factions. In this vein, I consider us all part of one community. In deference to this community's founding nearly two decades ago, I name it the free software community. And within _our_ community is are the Free Software Movement and the Open Source Movement.Yet, as is so aptly demonstrated with ESR and BP's joint response to SCO, we _are_ a single community. We do have largely similar goals. We are united in our distaste, distrust and outright disgust at the kind of activities seen by SCO. I consider myself a part of our whole community. I align myself with the Free Software Movement. I respect those who choose to align with the Open Source Movement. This comment is an essentially semantic issue as is hopefully obvious. I otherwise wholeheartedly agree with your response. Add my vocal support for the work ESR and BP have done so far! Regards
Raymond and Perens respond to SCO Posted Sep 10, 2003 18:09 UTC (Wed) by phil42 (guest, #5175) [Link] esr has my vote. He has successfully represented the linux community foryears.
Raymond and Perens respond to SCO Posted Sep 11, 2003 10:22 UTC (Thu) by airman (✭ supporter ✭, #7341) [Link] He definitely has my vote too, though I often wish he'd just keep his mouth shut ;PWithout the Cathedral and TAOUP some time ago, I'd still be producing huge NT/C++ templates-stuffed apps, whereas I now earn my living coding neat small Linux/C apps in the proper Unix way. And this with all the fun I thought I had lost. Quite the spokesman I needed at this time, even if not a perfect one...
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