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If Android is a "stolen product," then so was the iPhone (ars technica)If Android is a "stolen product," then so was the iPhone (ars technica)Posted Feb 25, 2012 2:24 UTC (Sat) by wookey (subscriber, #5501)In reply to: If Android is a "stolen product," then so was the iPhone (ars technica) by ncm Parent article: If Android is a "stolen product," then so was the iPhone (ars technica)
Please don't use the word 'stole'. It's not stealing, no matter who is doing it.
Copying, re-using and adapting good ideas is a _good_thing_. It always has been. We want good ideas to spread. The whole meme that this activity should be labeled 'stealing' is wrong, and we shouldn't be spreading it.
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If Android is a "stolen product," then so was the iPhone (ars technica) Posted Feb 26, 2012 18:14 UTC (Sun) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
Something like that.
This sort of thing is what I think of as 'Lawyering'. It's the use of mixed metaphors and analogies that is used to confuse people. They are used to present circular arguments and assumption logic with a air of logical simplicity while they are obviously erroneous if presented in a direct manner.
That is why they use 'stolen', 'theft', 'piracy', etc etc. It seems simple enough. But it's not. It's lies and and deception.
Any sort of discussion involving so-called 'intellectual property' is rife with these sort of 'lawyering' tactics. It's very irritating and makes it almost impossible to have a proper discussion of it. People apt to repeat straw arguments, bad analogies, and mystical/magical thinking over and over again as logical defense for copyrights and patents.
etc. etc. etc. I could go on all day.
In reality all this 'IP' bullshit really amounts to is a attempt to create a thin layer of legitimacy for various cynical and self-aware political forces that desire to use of Government force to reduce competition, ensure profitability over obsolete business models, and control the actions and lives of millions of people and hundreds of thousands of businesses to achieve those aims. blah blah blah.
It is really quite terrible.
On a side note:
http://mises.org/media/2434/What-Is-Fascism
I think that it's critical that all Americans understand that fascism is not just epithet.
If Android is a "stolen product," then so was the iPhone (ars technica) Posted Feb 27, 2012 1:03 UTC (Mon) by dag- (subscriber, #30207) [Link]
Wouldn't it be stealing if you take the idea of someone else, and then implement and patent the implementation to make it hard for others to implement the same idea ?
Maybe we need another word for this, maybe *murder* is a better word. They *murdered* ideas they learned from someone else. Happy now ?
If Android is a "stolen product," then so was the iPhone (ars technica) Posted Feb 27, 2012 8:38 UTC (Mon) by blujay (guest, #39961) [Link]
No, it wouldn't be stealing--it would be immoral (the patenting of it), but not stealing. Ideas cannot be stolen--they can only be discovered, shared, or kept secret.
I think that "kidnapped" might be the most apt term for what you described.
If Android is a "stolen product," then so was the iPhone (ars technica) Posted Feb 27, 2012 11:55 UTC (Mon) by cortana (subscriber, #24596) [Link] Fun fact: the method you just described was patented by Halliburton.
If Android is a "stolen product," then so was the iPhone (ars technica) Posted Feb 27, 2012 20:41 UTC (Mon) by karthik_s1 (subscriber, #60525) [Link]
I think that patent(if awarded) could be invalidated by showing prior art.
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