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If Android is a "stolen product," then so was the iPhone (ars technica)
Posted Feb 24, 2012 3:05 UTC (Fri) by ncm (subscriber, #165)
Posted Feb 25, 2012 2:24 UTC (Sat) by wookey (subscriber, #5501)
Copying, re-using and adapting good ideas is a _good_thing_. It always has been. We want good ideas to spread. The whole meme that this activity should be labeled 'stealing' is wrong, and we shouldn't be spreading it.
Posted Feb 26, 2012 18:14 UTC (Sun) by drag (subscriber, #31333)
This sort of thing is what I think of as 'Lawyering'. It's the use of mixed metaphors and analogies that is used to confuse people. They are used to present circular arguments and assumption logic with a air of logical simplicity while they are obviously erroneous if presented in a direct manner.
That is why they use 'stolen', 'theft', 'piracy', etc etc. It seems simple enough. But it's not. It's lies and and deception.
Any sort of discussion involving so-called 'intellectual property' is rife with these sort of 'lawyering' tactics. It's very irritating and makes it almost impossible to have a proper discussion of it. People apt to repeat straw arguments, bad analogies, and mystical/magical thinking over and over again as logical defense for copyrights and patents.
etc. etc. etc. I could go on all day.
In reality all this 'IP' bullshit really amounts to is a attempt to create a thin layer of legitimacy for various cynical and self-aware political forces that desire to use of Government force to reduce competition, ensure profitability over obsolete business models, and control the actions and lives of millions of people and hundreds of thousands of businesses to achieve those aims. blah blah blah.
It is really quite terrible.
On a side note:
Most people will probably find this very educational and interesting, if you don't mind having to use mp3s ;)
I think that it's critical that all Americans understand that fascism is not just epithet.
Posted Feb 27, 2012 1:03 UTC (Mon) by dag- (subscriber, #30207)
Maybe we need another word for this, maybe *murder* is a better word. They *murdered* ideas they learned from someone else. Happy now ?
Posted Feb 27, 2012 8:38 UTC (Mon) by blujay (guest, #39961)
I think that "kidnapped" might be the most apt term for what you described.
Posted Feb 27, 2012 11:55 UTC (Mon) by cortana (subscriber, #24596)
Posted Feb 27, 2012 20:41 UTC (Mon) by karthik_s1 (subscriber, #60525)
Posted Feb 24, 2012 3:06 UTC (Fri) by JoeF (guest, #4486)
Posted Feb 24, 2012 22:16 UTC (Fri) by rahvin (subscriber, #16953)
Posted Feb 24, 2012 8:04 UTC (Fri) by drago01 (subscriber, #50715)
Posted Feb 24, 2012 11:50 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252)
There's always someone else that did it before, but there's always someone that made it happen for everybody else. That latter in this case is most certainly Jobs.
Nope, that's Google. Jobs is like Edison. And I don't mean "idolized imaginary Edison", but the real one. Who "invented" (actually borrowed) lightbulb… and then spent years trying to stifle further development of it (in the case where real inventor was obvious Edison formed joint company). Who invented electricity distribution… and then spent the rest of his life trying to make sure noone else will do anything better (the last inefficient Edison's DC station was closed in XXI century!). Who invented motion pictures… and controlled them so much that industry quite literally run to the other side of the continent to avoid endless lawsuits (that's how Hollywood was formed and that's why it's on west coast, not on east one).
P.S. It's ironic how easily Hollywood (which started as bunch of mass violators) forgot about it's roots - but that's separate history.
Posted Feb 24, 2012 13:08 UTC (Fri) by hadrons123 (guest, #72126)
Posted Feb 24, 2012 14:12 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252)
History of Hollywood is not exactly a big secret, but I'm not talking about Hollywood here. This is just a side-note.
I'm talking about inventors who use ideas of others then turn around and say "I want you to stop using our ideas". In the end they do more harm then good and I still don't understand where do them come from: do they really believe they have some god-given right to innovate at the expense of others or are they just greedy?
Posted Feb 24, 2012 22:30 UTC (Fri) by rahvin (subscriber, #16953)
The similarity between Edison's actions and how Jobs approached things speaks volumes about how big of an asshole Jobs was and how destructive Jobs could be to markets and competition if given the chance.
Posted Feb 24, 2012 20:14 UTC (Fri) by wahern (subscriber, #37304)
So it is with inventions.
Posted Feb 24, 2012 20:19 UTC (Fri) by karim (subscriber, #114)
Posted Feb 24, 2012 20:27 UTC (Fri) by wahern (subscriber, #37304)
It's a horribly written book. Basically a bunch of conference papers thrown together. There are several interesting arguments and ideas, though. But it's a classic publish-and-forget book, not one where the author strove to refine his theories.
Posted Feb 24, 2012 21:45 UTC (Fri) by southey (subscriber, #9466)
Posted Feb 29, 2012 8:23 UTC (Wed) by marcH (subscriber, #57642)
I've noticed that the predecessors seem to often be from a different culture/language. I guess that makes the "failure" much easier to achieve.
Vaguely related: it looks like the legal power of US megacorps with their legions of lawyers and the USPTO their pet tends to stop at the Chinese border. Funny that.
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