Quotes of the week
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Posted Feb 23, 2012 19:31 UTC (Thu) by halla (subscriber, #14185)In reply to: Quotes of the week by lacos
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That said, in fact there has already been work going on for some time to integrate color management into KDE, but using the Oyranos cmm... Which predates colord, as is clear from the thread this quote is taken from.
Personally, I was disappointed with the tone of Richard's blog post and the way he describes his interaction with KDE people on, for instance, the Gnome Foundation mailing list.
"I am a little disappointed in KDE that it hasn’t made the jump too."
Yeah, we already were working on a solution. Let's throw all our work away! And colord _is_ a NIH project, started by Richard who disregarded all the work that was already being done. He managed to push it into Fedora and Gnome, which seems to make it a "standard". Which is not a surprise, that's the usual way "innovation" in Linux happens.
"I end up doing so much extra work for the KDE desktop and get virtually nothing back." (https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2011-Dece...)
No, that's a big surprise. It's time people learn that the right way to cooperate is not to claim a space on freedesktop.org, develop a gnome technology and declare it a standard, and then ask for cooperation.
I've always respected Richard, had pleasant enough interactions with him, and even tried to buy one of his calibration thingies (never heard back from him, though), and for Krita, I made sure that Krita would work fine with colord under Gnome. But I'm a bit through with this attitude.
Not to mention that most artists have been leaving Gnome since about half a year, that trend is very clear from what I hear from my users and see from my bug reports. A year ago, most Krita users would be using Gnome, and that's definitely no longer true.
Posted Feb 24, 2012 9:04 UTC (Fri)
by jezuch (subscriber, #52988)
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Some anecdotal evidence: the other day a female friend of mine was inspecting some fabrics for her new dress. She sent me some images of cobalt blue and I liked it. I like blue. Then she sent the same images to her roommate, who saw it on his monitor and said: but it's purple! You see, it can be *that* bad. And people *do* care but they don't know they do. Most of them never heard of screen calibration. Some maybe remember that monitors have knobs to regulate some parameters, but I think that's rare. Oh, and the roommate is a computer geek, too.
Posted Feb 24, 2012 9:33 UTC (Fri)
by lacos (guest, #70616)
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I think this use case is unfixable by software. You can aim at the same person perceiving the same color on different display devices, if that specific person calibrates all the devices (or selects the profiles). I doubt you could ever get two people to perceive the same RGB value on the same display as the same visual stimulation, and to capture it with the same words.
When I look at a piece of cloth simultaneously with my wife (real time, same place, no display device involved), we regularly call it different colors. You'd have to calibrate eyes and brains to get consensus.
I think this idea is blown way out of proportion. I mean, everyone go ahead if you feel you need color calibration, just don't foist yet another daemon on me. Give me an opt-out.
Posted Mar 1, 2012 6:55 UTC (Thu)
by gwg (guest, #20811)
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Eyes are already calibrated by the fact that we're extremely similar
Color naming on the other hand has a large learned component, so yes,
Posted Feb 24, 2012 14:16 UTC (Fri)
by spaetz (guest, #32870)
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See "color names used when you are a girl" and "color names used when you are a guy" :-)
Posted Mar 2, 2012 23:41 UTC (Fri)
by Karellen (subscriber, #67644)
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Posted Mar 3, 2012 11:48 UTC (Sat)
by lacos (guest, #70616)
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Posted Mar 4, 2012 19:49 UTC (Sun)
by oy (guest, #80450)
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genetically, and it's a very well known calibration:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIE_1931_color_space>.
There are certainly slight variations between observers, and known changes
as we age, but our person to person match is a whole lot better than two
random displays.
people can disagree fairly widely on how they interpret and describe
what they see. There's been some interesting research on this, for
instance:
<http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1....>
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Quotes of the week
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