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I hope Mozilla funds Gnash developmentI hope Mozilla funds Gnash developmentPosted Feb 22, 2012 15:23 UTC (Wed) by Kit (guest, #55925)In reply to: I hope Mozilla funds Gnash development by coriordan Parent article: No more Flash for Firefox on Linux
I would rather say 'good riddance' to Flash! And any other browser plugins, while we're at it...
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I hope Mozilla funds Gnash development Posted Feb 22, 2012 16:28 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
That's a lovely sentiment, but wishing flash away isn't going to make all the content that people want to access online go away also.
I am hoping, personally, that the newer Pepper API will be much better then the old Netscape API. Allow it to be secured properly, interact with X better, get acceleration easier, and all that happy stuff.
I hope Mozilla funds Gnash development Posted Feb 22, 2012 16:39 UTC (Wed) by loevborg (guest, #51779) [Link]
Really, changing the way plugins work is a desperate necessity. It is still, after many years, not possible to close a browser window using ^W if your a Flash object has focus or even if your mouse cursor is hovering above it, because the plugin traps all keyevents. Now if that's not a ridiculous bug, what is? The last time I checked, this worked neither in Firefox nor in Chrome. The good news is that maybe this will change in the future. The bad news is that Chrome has implemented the new API for a while and AFAIK it still doesn't work in that browser.
I hope Mozilla funds Gnash development Posted Feb 22, 2012 16:54 UTC (Wed) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link] I have great difficulty calling that a "ridiculous" bug, simply because it's far easier to recognize it as a bug than it is to describe a sufficiently good solution to it. (The trivially obvious solution is also not sufficiently good, IMO.)
I hope Mozilla funds Gnash development Posted Feb 22, 2012 18:10 UTC (Wed) by slashdot (guest, #22014) [Link]
Sounds like a feature.
Otherwise, you couldn't implement a game using Ctrl+W for a game action.
I hope Mozilla funds Gnash development Posted Feb 22, 2012 18:42 UTC (Wed) by marm (guest, #53705) [Link]
Sounds rather like a misfeature, or more specifically like optimizing for a very rare case.
Which is worse? Breaking a couple of Flash applications which use strange key combinations, or breaking ALL keyboard shorcuts for users of ALL Flash applications? The choice should not be hard :)
Besides, you can always add a "forward all keystrokes to this applet" toggle, which can be used in the exceptional cases.
I hope Mozilla funds Gnash development Posted Feb 22, 2012 23:04 UTC (Wed) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
how can an application (flash or javascript) know what keystroke combinations are going to be grabbed by the browser?
I run in to this situation with a javascript app (shell in a box, running command line tools on a remote machine), on firefox the <cntl> T goes to the app, on chrome it goes to the browser.
which is better? having some portions of the app unavailable? or having some portions of the browser unavailable?
in my case it's more annoying to have the portions of the app unavailable, but I can understand how other people would want it the other way.
the particular command-line app that I run into trouble with most frequently pre-dates the start of firefox, let alone chrome, so you can't blame the app for using a 'reserved' key combination.
think about this a bit more, how can a browser know what key combinations are reserved by the Desktop Environment? what should happen if you have a conflict there?
I hope Mozilla funds Gnash development Posted Feb 23, 2012 20:26 UTC (Thu) by marm (guest, #53705) [Link]
> how can an application (flash or javascript) know what keystroke
> combinations are going to be grabbed by the browser?
I meant that the user should be the one to make the choice, not the application.
> in my case it's more annoying to have the portions of the app unavailable, > but I can understand how other people would want it the other way.
Then make it an option in browser preferences.
I hope Mozilla funds Gnash development Posted Feb 23, 2012 11:38 UTC (Thu) by loevborg (guest, #51779) [Link]
I agree. Also, it should arguably by default not be permitted to trap a basic shortcut like ^W as it presumably is impossible to trap Windows's Alt-F4, though you might add a flag for those who like to have Emacs-style "delete word" functionality inside a Flash object.
I hope Mozilla funds Gnash development Posted Feb 23, 2012 14:54 UTC (Thu) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]
Uhm. Alt-F4 in Windows just sends a WM_CLOSE message to a window which can be ignored.
Probably you're thinking about ctrl-alt-del?
I hope Mozilla funds Gnash development Posted Feb 22, 2012 16:43 UTC (Wed) by landley (guest, #6789) [Link]
I dunno about that. Don't forget that Adobe threw in the towel on flash development for phones last year:
http://www.bgr.com/2011/11/09/flash-in-the-pan-adobe-to-d...
And smartphones are to the PC what the PC was to minicomputers, and mainframes before that. Plug your phone into a USB docking station and install a native compiler, and who needs a PC anymore? (Yeah yeah, "That commodore 64 will never displace my VAX" and so on... Been there, done that. Nobody needed to visit The Computer Room when they had their own computer on their desk, and nobody needs the computer on their desk when they have one in their pocket 24/7. And Flash gave up there already.)
This whole article boils down to "Adobe abandons flash support on another platform". This is not a Flash success story, this is Flash receding in importance as HTML5 ramps up...
Rob
I hope Mozilla funds Gnash development Posted Feb 22, 2012 19:10 UTC (Wed) by dmarti (subscriber, #11625) [Link] +1 Insightful.Adobe is re-positioning all their content editing tools around HTML5. Flash on the client is on the way out, so their new plan is to convert Flash developers into developers who use newer versions of the same toolset to make HTML5.
I hope Mozilla funds Gnash development Posted Feb 23, 2012 10:50 UTC (Thu) by liljencrantz (subscriber, #28458) [Link]
And a fine plan it is. Some Adobe products are actually very nice, developing a Flash app is often significantly easier than solving the same problem with HTML5. Not because HTML5 is inferior, but because the HTML5 development tools are inferior to those Adobe sells for Flash. But Adobe have been completely terrible at providing a high quality flash browser plug-in. This way, web developers get some very nice options on how to produce their content, but we all get a platform independent, open, fast and bug free web.
I hope Mozilla funds Gnash development Posted Feb 22, 2012 23:44 UTC (Wed) by motk (subscriber, #51120) [Link] And smartphones are to the PC what the PC was to minicomputersPeople keep saying this. I'd need a lot of convincing to believe that Android and ios and WebOS can realistically take the place of a desktop OS, even if a PC eventually ends up being a 24" ipad. Viz Flash vs HTML5 - yep, complete agreement.
I hope Mozilla funds Gnash development Posted Feb 23, 2012 0:12 UTC (Thu) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
> People keep saying this. I'd need a lot of convincing to believe that Android and ios and WebOS can realistically take the place of a desktop OS
with something like the Ubuntu/android combination, I see a good possibility of this happening for many people (not everyone by any means)
the PC didn't do everything that a minicomputer could do, let alone do it as fast, but it was easier to get going, and far cheaper (again making it far easier to get going with)
With the ability to use a keyboard with your phone, and use a random TV as a display, it becomes very convenient to use your phone for many of the things that a laptop can do. think of it as the next step from a netbook, but you don't sacrifice screen size when doing real work.
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