Posted Feb 17, 2012 10:03 UTC (Fri) by ebirdie (subscriber, #512)
Parent article: Book review: Open Advice
I just made an observation primarily for myself but willing to share it as a comment. There are quite many women in the authors mosaic on the front page of the Open Advice web-site.
I find that nice, that women this numerous have found interesting things to do, learn and have fun from these projects instead of coding. I know there are women coding and doing many tasks just like men and there are men equal or more to women in the mosaic as well, I just didn't count the genders in the mosaic. I don't mean this comment to be taken as a sexists role model. Somehow the authors mosaic just stroke thru better than Valerie Hanson's name and awereness of her gender in a Kernel section article. As another example, if I remember right, Rebecca Sobol has been working for FOSS via lwn.net since its very early days.
Despite of many acknowledgable women in FOSS, my perception has been that FOSS scenery has had heavy bias to males and I'm not one of those keen on changing the situation by making fuss over it (actually just made with this comment, but will keep my denial mode). The book and the above observation definately changes my perception. I think I will buy the book, not because what I said above about women vs. men in FOSS, but purely because the book review gave incentives.
If someone finds this comment amusing because of its hairline dancing, it is just because I live in a country, where I'm just sick of women being nervously sensitive to counter argument comments they find sexists. I'm almost giving up posting this comment, when I think about that cultural behaviour we have. If conversation between genders is hard in real life at times, online conversations make it to power 2 and conversations over cultural borders might make it even more hazard.
Posted Feb 18, 2012 22:35 UTC (Sat) by nightrose (guest, #82769)
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It is definitely no coincidence but very intentional. Getting more women into Free Software starts and ends with excellent role-models.
I have the pleasure to work with many amazing women in various Free Software projects and I was psyched when so many of them agreed to be a part of the project.
Cheers
Lydia
Role Models And Gender Stereotypes
Posted Mar 2, 2012 8:30 UTC (Fri) by ldo (subscriber, #40946)
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Is this a gender stereotype, that females look for role models to influence them into particular activities, males don’t? Because there were never glamorous computer programmers or software geeks on TV or in the magazines or books I read when young (1970s and earlier), there were just the occasional computers themselves, and I was filled with curiosity as to how they worked—of all the technology I was exposed to, they seemed the most magical.
Is that not the kind of thing a girl would do?
Role Models And Gender Stereotypes
Posted Mar 3, 2012 12:05 UTC (Sat) by John_Doe (guest, #76040)
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> Is this a gender stereotype, that females look for role models to influence them into particular activities, males don’t?
Yes, it is just a gender stereotype.
Now that this is off the table, do you perhaps also have something to contribute on the TECHNICAL ISSUES covered in the book?
Thank you.
Book review: Open Advice
Posted Mar 3, 2012 12:22 UTC (Sat) by John_Doe (guest, #76040)
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Hi Lydia, I would love to be impressed by your great-role-model code. Where can I find it? Thank you.
Book review: Open Advice
Posted Mar 3, 2012 22:34 UTC (Sat) by nightrose (guest, #82769)
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I am not sure what you mean to be honest. You want to see code I've written? Or?
Book review: Open Advice
Posted Mar 6, 2012 12:00 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304)
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Judging from this, he wants to be offensive. Just another sexist troll, ignore him.
Book review: Open Advice
Posted Mar 18, 2012 9:14 UTC (Sun) by nightrose (guest, #82769)
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Yes I think you're right. I assumed the same. I would however have liked to get a yes, just to be able to respond accordingly ;-) Oh well - time's up.
Book review: Open Advice
Posted Mar 3, 2012 11:44 UTC (Sat) by John_Doe (guest, #76040)
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Thank you for having done the political-correctness chores for this day. Women are so amazing, they are just the better men, yada, yada, yada. Now that this is off the table, can we please return to the technical issues that lwn.net was created for? Thank you once more.