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Wayland and Weston 0.85.0 releasedWayland and Weston 0.85.0 releasedPosted Feb 12, 2012 20:13 UTC (Sun) by drag (subscriber, #31333)In reply to: Wayland and Weston 0.85.0 released by jzbiciak Parent article: Wayland and Weston 0.85.0 released
I think that it is still mostly unusable.
Once Wayland gets a fully functional X Windows networking support and is able to manage displays on the majority of video cards without the need for a XServer then it will be ready for a larger audience and application developers.
At that point we can start to expect OpenGL applications and a few Wayland native applications to demonstrate out Wayland is able to handle things that X11 Server isn't terribly good at.
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Wayland and Weston 0.85.0 released Posted Feb 12, 2012 21:28 UTC (Sun) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]
There'll probably never be X Windows networking support in Wayland. However, it is possible to run a rootless X-server _inside_ Wayland right now.
Wayland is maturing rapidly and it has the feel of a 'right' solution. It's simple and easy to understand and extend, unlike Xorg.
Wayland and Weston 0.85.0 released Posted Feb 13, 2012 23:23 UTC (Mon) by daglwn (subscriber, #65432) [Link]
> However, it is possible to run a rootless X-server _inside_ Wayland right
> now.
Which is fine and dandy until the toolkits used by the applications migrate to Wayland and can no longer work with X.
Network transparency is a core feature. If it's not there, Wayland is incomplete and unusable for me.
Wayland and Weston 0.85.0 released Posted Feb 14, 2012 7:51 UTC (Tue) by Chousuke (subscriber, #54562) [Link]
Unusable for you, perhaps, but you're in a very small minority. Network transparency is nice when you need it, but given that there are other options, it's far from a critical feature.
I have used X's networking capabilities a couple times, but when I as a user think about what Wayland needs before it's ready for prime time, network transparency doesn't even make the list.
Wayland and Weston 0.85.0 released Posted Feb 14, 2012 7:57 UTC (Tue) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
If someone would find a way to run a rootless wayland server and display it on an X11 server (some sort of proxy, or a special 'video driver' in Wayland so that the X11 <-> Wayland connection was a twp-way street rather than "we're compatible, as long as you let me be in charge" most of the objections that people are having would go away. The concern over network transparency would drop because people could run Wayland apps to a remote X11 display if Wayland doesn't develop it's own network protocol.
and before you ask why I don't do it, compatibility with existing stuff is primarily the responsibility of the newcomer.
Wayland and Weston 0.85.0 released Posted Feb 14, 2012 9:53 UTC (Tue) by VITTUIX-MAN (guest, #82895) [Link]
Special video driver?
Sounds awfully similar to what Xpra does. (http://xpra.org/) It makes use of X-server running dummy frame buffer and connects into it as compositor.
I don't see why the client must speak the same language as the remote location's native windowing system does. Poeple don't complain the Unix commandline doesn't do session management on its own ether, but instead use dutifully screen. They still have to have putty installed in Windows machines which ususally isn't, how does an xpra client (or a Wayland equivalent) make any big difference? Ether don't need admistrator privileges to run.
By the way -xpra approach makes rootlessness the default behavior too.
Wayland and Weston 0.85.0 released Posted Feb 14, 2012 9:38 UTC (Tue) by ekj (guest, #1524) [Link]
Most people don't care, and don't use the networking-features in X.
Infact, from my experience, I would even say that most people who *DO* run graphical applications remotely, and want to display them locally - still don't care and don't use the networking-features in X.
Which is not surprising, because they're not very usable. Even something as kludgy and crappy as VNC, works an order of magnitude better, so why *should* anyone care ?
Wayland and Weston 0.85.0 released Posted Feb 14, 2012 20:57 UTC (Tue) by proski (subscriber, #104) [Link] I log in on my workstation from a laptop and run my mail client there by typing claws-mail on the command line. VNC would require extra steps. Network speed is not a concern. Why should I care about alternatives to X network support?
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