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Arlene McCarthy's software patent "factsheet"

Arlene McCarthy's software patent "factsheet"

Posted Sep 3, 2003 18:20 UTC (Wed) by libra (guest, #2515)
Parent article: Arlene McCarthy's software patent "factsheet"

From the so-called fact-sheet :

"The proposal applies strictly to inventions which must satisfy the conditions of any invention; must be new, involve an inventive step and must make a technical contribution providing a technical solution to a problem."

Thus the fact sheets carefully uses the term "computer-implemented inventions" to describe that.

Despite that definition, that sound fair at first reading, I have doubts on many points :
1) must be new : with the enormous amount of contribution in the field of computers (free software, students projects etc ...) how can anyone prove that he is the first to have invented something. It will always be easier for big companies with a lot of money to patent things, and thus spoil other people who have aleady found the solution from even continuing to use it.
2) involve an inventive step : as it is well known there is little invention in most of what comes in the field of computer programing. The fact is that facing a problem there is often very few solutions that apply, and patenting them will prevent everyone else to use them, even if we are perfectly capable of inventing those solution ourselves without the help of anyone else.
3) technical contribution : I guess it must not be a trivial one isn't it?

I find indeed that patent for "computer-implemented invention" is pointless, since there has been no such thing created ever. I really would like to see good examples from McCarthy of such invention (there must be some since she argues that 30000 such inventions have been handed out by European Patent Office). I think a good example should be presented and show such an invention that there would nothing to arguee against it.


Finally I also want to say that the European Parliament has to take fair decision. If really software patents is fair, then they certainly have to go on. Sometime the parliament can not take good decisions because a "statu quo" is imposed by European Nations, but at least I hope it will not take too much unfair decisions, because it would spoil the trust we need to have in it.

For the point of fairness I want to mention that Free Software often brings to the market really good and bright pieces of software. Those pieces of software could even be considered inventions according to some people standards, but as they would qualify for such inventions under McCarthy theory, they do so without locking anyone out of using them.

To the contrary companies with patent could attempt to lock out Free Software from certain field of use. I find it is quite unfair when considering what free software brings to the market. I hope this unfairness will also be taken into consideration by those who take the decisions, without always having to assume the consequences.


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Arlene McCarthy's software patent "factsheet"

Posted Sep 3, 2003 18:37 UTC (Wed) by Carl (guest, #824) [Link]

I really would like to see good examples from McCarthy of such invention (there must be some since she argues that 30000 such inventions have been handed out by European Patent Office). I think a good example should be presented and show such an invention that there would nothing to arguee against it.

Already posted to an earlier article, but worth repeating that the ffii already made such a overview.

I thought the "Test Suite" that the ffii/eurolinux people came up with was pretty good: http://swpat.ffii.org/analysis/testsuite/index.en.html and http://www.ffii.org/proj/kunst/swpat/pamflet/europarl03-testbed.en.pdf

It presents some of these patents that the EPO has illegally granted in the past and asks some simple questions be answered:

  • Is this an algorithm?
  • Is this a business method?
  • Is there a "technical contribution"?
  • Should this innovation be patentable subject matter?
  • Does your favorite proposal clearly say so?
And very important:
  • Would any judge reach the same conclusions?
  • Where are areas of incertainty?

It would be good to get some answers to the above questions before the European Parlement votes on this.

Arlene McCarthy's software patent "factsheet"

Posted Sep 3, 2003 20:22 UTC (Wed) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link]

But those 30000 patents, are from different nationalitys, and only have the force of a law regulation in the respective national countrys... without a common EU Directive it would make enforcement virtually impossible, because there are many different interpretations.

So dont bother to much about replying to Arlene McCarthy.

Arlene McCarthy's software patent "factsheet"

Posted Sep 6, 2003 11:47 UTC (Sat) by Winston84 (guest, #14879) [Link]

"I find indeed that patent for "computer-implemented invention" is pointless, since there has been no such thing created ever. I really would like to see good examples from McCarthy of such invention (there must be some since she argues that 30000 such inventions have been handed out by European Patent Office). I think a good example should be presented and show such an invention that there would nothing to arguee against it."

I think here is a really interesting example of a pure (imho) "Software Patent" as per definition. It was granted by the EPO in May 2003 and is called:

Method to generate new structures from existing structures in a computerized system

http://swpat.ffii.org/pikta/txt/ep/1310/841/#adsc

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