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Tizen releases some code
The Tizen project has announced
the release of an initial set of
source repositories and an alpha
SDK. "Today we are posting a set of pre-release tools to give
application developers an early look at Tizen. These tools, together with
their corresponding documentation and source code, will provide developers
with information required to become familiar with Tizen
development."
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Tizen Debian-based Posted Jan 9, 2012 19:09 UTC (Mon) by juliank (subscriber, #45896) [Link]
And it's apparently Debian-based.
Tizen Debian-based Posted Jan 9, 2012 21:42 UTC (Mon) by juliank (subscriber, #45896) [Link]
And branched off in November 2010 AFAICT. The code is apparently not new anymore, but old code from Samsung.
Tizen Debian-based Posted Jan 9, 2012 23:46 UTC (Mon) by pabs (subscriber, #43278) [Link]
Seems there are some Ubuntu related parts too:
http://source.tizen.org/git/?p=pkgs/xorg/server/xorg-serv...
Tizen Debian-based Posted Jan 11, 2012 13:42 UTC (Wed) by pixelpapst (guest, #55301) [Link] Leaving aside for a minute the fact that a number of these git repositories don't actually seem to be based on upstream debian packages, but re-packaged from scratch - I found this little gem on the product-dev list:
Tizen Debian-based Posted Jan 11, 2012 13:47 UTC (Wed) by juliank (subscriber, #45896) [Link]
Yes, Intel always decides to merge with Debian-derived stuff and then wants to force RPM on them.
Tizen Debian-based Posted Feb 27, 2013 20:53 UTC (Wed) by edi (guest, #89589) [Link] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeeGoAccording to Intel, MeeGo was developed because Microsoft did not offer comprehensive Windows 7 support for the Atom processor.[7] Aminocom and Novell also play a large part in the MeeGo effort, working with the Linux Foundation on their build infrastructure and official MeeGo products. Amino was responsible for extending MeeGo to TV devices,[8] while Novell is increasingly introducing technology that was originally developed for openSUSE, (including Open Build Service, ZYpp for package management, and other system management tools).[2][9] In November 2010, AMD also joined the alliance of companies that were actively developing MeeGo.[10] Harmattan, originally slated to become Maemo 6, is now considered to be a MeeGo instance (though not a MeeGo product), and Nokia is giving up the Maemo branding for Harmattan on the Nokia N9 and beyond (Maemo 5, aka Fremantle, and previous versions will still be referred to as Maemo).[11] On 27 September 2011 it was announced by Intel employee Imad Sousou that in collaboration with Samsung MeeGo will be replaced by Tizen during 2012.[4][12][13][14][15][16] Community developers from the Mer project however plan to continue MeeGo without Intel and Nokia. So far it is not clear whether they will be allowed to continue to use the MeeGo trademark
Tizen Debian-based Posted Feb 27, 2013 21:00 UTC (Wed) by edi (guest, #89589) [Link]
I found myself confused. Is Tizen (formerly MeeGo) realy OpenSuse-based?
Tizen Debian-based Posted Feb 27, 2013 21:24 UTC (Wed) by boudewijn (subscriber, #14185) [Link]
No, but it really does use technology from OpenSUSE, like zypper and the OBS (which itself can provide builds for pretty much anything, and isn't something especially OpenSUSEy).
Tizen releases some code Posted Jan 9, 2012 19:21 UTC (Mon) by b7j0c (subscriber, #27559) [Link]
i'm supportive of these efforts for the Nth time, and presume i will be disappointed for the Nth time
Tizen releases some code Posted Jan 9, 2012 19:50 UTC (Mon) by kragilkragil2 (guest, #76172) [Link]
Yeah, the pointlessness of the whole exercise is quite amazing. It uses _nothing_ from meego and when it will be ready (probably next year) it will be as good as WebOS was when it started two years ago.
Bottom line (what we have learned): Nokia fucked it up, Samsung will fuck it up, but Intel fucks these things up at a pace that is really astonishing. They never learn. Desperate thick skulls seem to be a recruitment requirement for their management.
Tizen releases some code Posted Jan 11, 2012 5:03 UTC (Wed) by kmike (guest, #5260) [Link]
And a source from Intel tells me Intel is ready to do it all over again, by abandoning Tizen for Android/x86. Apparently the latter is the "new high priority" now.
Tizen releases some code Posted Jan 11, 2012 15:04 UTC (Wed) by kragilkragil2 (guest, #76172) [Link]
Wouldn't surprise me at all.
IMO tech companies need engineers with a vision at their helm. It isn't that complicated. Pick a kernel (Linux), pick a framework and throw money at it for a long time and improve all the parts that lack. Red Hat kinda does it that way, but slow with a heavy server focus and not that much money. If big companies like IBM, HP, Intel or Oracle had started to do it in 2000 to 2003 Ubuntu might not have happened. I had hoped that Meego and the Linux Foundation would become something like Eclipse Foundation and Eclipse, but sadly nobody over there has any vision. They let f**king stupid Intel decide instead of encouraging others to pick up the pieces. Linux, Wayland, SystemD, Qt etc is the right choice for the future. It is the very competitive and maybe even superior in the long run, but can't exspect some MBA CEOs and some toady Foundation to understand that.
Tizen releases some code Posted Jan 14, 2012 16:23 UTC (Sat) by lbt (subscriber, #29672) [Link]
+1
It's small: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb/
There's no UI and no hardware/kernel code - there will be some kind of CONFIG_* checklist instead.
Most importantly it's not a distro per-se. It's a collection of code, systems, tools and processes for vendors who want to make devices.
We expect these vendors to be part of the co-operative around Mer.
Tizen releases some code Posted Jan 10, 2012 1:20 UTC (Tue) by mgedmin (subscriber, #34497) [Link]
Looking at the Nokia N9 in my hand, I can say that even if Maemo/Meego went nowhere in the end, it produced some amazing things on the way there.
Tizen releases some code Posted Jan 12, 2012 11:10 UTC (Thu) by job (guest, #670) [Link]
What's remarkable about N9 is that it is not only Linux geek friendly, but unanimously loved by gadget geeks as well. Pretty much all the tests I've seen in glossy magazines ends with the sentiment that the reviewer will miss this phone software, but can't recommend it since it is DOA without a future. It's a pity really. It's not often you see that.
De mortuis nil nisi bonum Posted Jan 12, 2012 17:16 UTC (Thu) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link] I see exact some sentiments in reviews of HP Pre³. It may be caused by the fact that no matter how good they make the device look in the review they already have line prepared the line "we can not recommend it because it's DOA" anyway - so there are no need to look for defects: people will not buy it anyway (and if they WILL buy reviwers can always point to this like).
De mortuis nil nisi bonum Posted Jan 13, 2012 14:27 UTC (Fri) by job (guest, #670) [Link]
That's probably true. I still hope that the good parts of Meego and WebOS, because there are several, survive and gets picked up by other players in the future.
Tizen releases some code Posted Jan 13, 2012 16:52 UTC (Fri) by bjartur (guest, #67801) [Link]
Is the software unmaintained? Who would be capable of taking over maintenance?
Tizen releases some code Posted Jan 15, 2012 2:46 UTC (Sun) by mgedmin (subscriber, #34497) [Link]
Nokia is still releasing firmware updates with bugfixes (PR 1.1) and new features (PR 1.2, rumoured to be out soon). They have promised to keep supporting the N9 for "years" or something like that.
There are no plans to release new devices on the Meego 1.2 Harmattan platform or its successors ever since Elop took over and decided to bet Nokia's future on Windows Phone. That's why most reviewers call the N9 dead on arrival, I believe. It doesn't stop me from enjoying mine ;)
Tizen releases some code Posted Jan 9, 2012 23:30 UTC (Mon) by pabs (subscriber, #43278) [Link]
The git repositories are quite hilariously sad, for example take a look at the Xorg ones (which use git upstream).
Tizen releases some code Posted Jan 9, 2012 23:41 UTC (Mon) by obi (guest, #5784) [Link]
Yeah, this has a definite "WTF are they thinking" -feel to it.
Tizen releases some code Posted Jan 10, 2012 2:07 UTC (Tue) by leif81 (guest, #75132) [Link]
Is there an wrapper (like Android's "repo" tool) for dealing with a large number of git repo's like that? Surely you wouldn't clone them all individually?
Tizen releases some code Posted Jan 10, 2012 2:29 UTC (Tue) by yarikoptic (subscriber, #36795) [Link]
FWIW have a look at http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/mr/ from Joey Hess (Debian).
Tizen releases some code Posted Jan 10, 2012 5:18 UTC (Tue) by xxiao (subscriber, #9631) [Link]
while options are good, I have no interest in this one, not any more, sorry.
Thrid time is a charm Posted Jan 10, 2012 7:46 UTC (Tue) by Felix.Braun (subscriber, #3032) [Link] At least they have a sense of adventure. After Maemo (GTK-based) and Meego (Qt-based) Tizen is using EFL as the main graphics stack (link). Better make them developers learn something new with each iteration. ;-) Of course everything is a Web-App nowadays, so the intended developer audience will only be exposed to HTML/CSS/Javascript.
Thrid time is a charm Posted Jan 10, 2012 9:46 UTC (Tue) by tajyrink (subscriber, #2750) [Link]
Hey, Openmoko did all that already years ago, pioneers as they/we were! :) Om2007.2 used GTK with UIs written by Opened Hand, Om2008.12 used Qt based Qtopia ported to work (poorly) on top of X11, and Om2009 phone UI (just before Openmoko Inc stopped working on phones) was written with EFL using Vala which at that point was also pretty much non-released :)
But for slow hardware EFL's usefulness remained so SHR is still continuing with it.
Thrid time is a charm Posted Jan 10, 2012 10:05 UTC (Tue) by kragilkragil2 (guest, #76172) [Link]
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
Thrid time is a charm Posted Jan 10, 2012 10:07 UTC (Tue) by kragilkragil2 (guest, #76172) [Link]
There was also Moblin which used Clutter.
That at least kinda got the Gnome 3 mess started, so it wasn't totally pointless.
Thrid time is a charm Posted Jan 10, 2012 17:21 UTC (Tue) by SEJeff (subscriber, #51588) [Link]
Sort of... Moblin used Mux[1], which I believe was later renamed to mx[1], which was a widget library written ontop of clutter.
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=506780
Tizen releases some code Posted Jan 10, 2012 12:26 UTC (Tue) by Ben_P (subscriber, #74247) [Link]
Will I be able to compile these sources and run them on a phone once Tizen is released? A brief scan of the git and I didn't see any drivers, which makes me think the OS may be open but the drivers will remain as always binary blobs?
Tizen releases some code Posted Jan 10, 2012 22:03 UTC (Tue) by shmerl (guest, #65921) [Link] Obviously there can't be any drivers yet, since there are no devices yet. Whether they'll be eventually open or closed will totally depend on the manufacturer. But the fact that Tizen will be using X11 (or may be Wayland later?) will allow using those devices for other systems like Mer/Nemo, Mer/Plasma Active and etc.
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