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BT Sues Google for Patent Infringements (Wired)

BT Sues Google for Patent Infringements (Wired)

Posted Jan 1, 2012 11:34 UTC (Sun) by ekj (guest, #1524)
In reply to: BT Sues Google for Patent Infringements (Wired) by SecretEuroPatentAgentMan
Parent article: BT Sues Google for Patent Infringements (Wired)

Patents don't "protect smaller companies" anyway. The minute you as a small company wave your patent in the face of one of the big boys, they wave their thousands of patents in your face and say: "this is gonna be a messy fight, are you sure you can even afford to fight it?"

The answer to that is always no, unless you're a patent-troll, a company that produces nothing and does nothing - and is thus immune to a counter-suit.

The only small companies that can sue big companies over patents, are small companies that do nothing except for owning a patent-portfolio.


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BT Sues Google for Patent Infringements (Wired)

Posted Jan 8, 2012 22:41 UTC (Sun) by SecretEuroPatentAgentMan (guest, #66656) [Link]

Really? I have assisted a small company facing large competitors copying an invention, and while the big companies played the ""this is gonna be a messy fight, are you sure you can even afford to fight it?"-card my client won through. Undoubtedly there are many similar cases.

Why do you think all these patent applications are filed if they would not provide the protection intended? The alternative would be a switch to use of trade secret laws.

BT Sues Google for Patent Infringements (Wired)

Posted Jan 9, 2012 9:05 UTC (Mon) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link]

I have assisted a small company facing large competitors copying an invention, and while the big companies played the ""this is gonna be a messy fight, are you sure you can even afford to fight it?"-card my client won through.

Can you provide more details here? I'd think that if a small company says to a big company, »You're infringing on our patent X«, a reply along the lines of »So? You're infringing on our patents A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H and I, among others« would be fairly effective. I'd be interested in finding out what approach the small company could take to counter this.

Why do you think all these patent applications are filed if they would not provide the protection intended?

Many software patents that are granted can only be charitably described as silly, but a patent is a patent. It may be worth having a patent on something silly (like having a text editor window and a calculator window open on the same screen at the same time, a revolutionary and unobvious invention if there ever was one, which AFAIR used to be patented by IBM) simply to counter other people's patents on other silly things that one might inadvertently infringe upon, when it comes to a »mine is bigger than yours« patent portfolio battle.

BT Sues Google for Patent Infringements (Wired)

Posted Jan 9, 2012 19:54 UTC (Mon) by SecretEuroPatentAgentMan (guest, #66656) [Link]

> I'd be interested in finding out what approach the small company could take to counter this.

Well, there is no fixed pattern to this but typically the party warms up with accusations and, as you say, counter accusations. Some times this goes to the press but while hard figures are hard to find my impression is that in the majority of cases the whole thing is kept low key. After rain comes the sun and after war one would hope for peace so there is no point in engaging in bridge burnings. There is a cultural aspect here too, some fields are a bit like the wild west while others are operating by gentlemen's agreements where you open by almost apologising for inconveniencing the infringing party with your patent while they in turn apologise for the mistake and it is all sorted out in a day or two.

In most cases you end up with claim construction: patent claims are broken down into features and you have to show where you find all features of at least one claim. The other party argues how this is all a mistake (mostly your mistake, supposedly) and it goes back and forth a few times. There will be lots of discussions and hopefully it will be solved at management levels. If not it goes to court, which is expensive for all involved and preferably to be avoided. Often you get an out of court settlement, the details of which trend to be confidential.

While there are examples of the opposite, innovations tend to be found in small companies so it is advantageous for the big company to get a proper license and possibly exclusivity for the invention and nurture a more productive relationship. The process itself is fairly similar for small and for large companies.

I could write a lot more about it but it is getting big already.

> Many software patents that are granted can only be charitably described as silly, but a patent is a patent.

Arthur Pedrick filed some bizarre applications but in the field of software I have not seen any silly patents myself. Mostly these are fare narrower than most people realise, protecting some very specific applications that can be avoided by most people. For instance all the first GSM mobile phone related patents have expired and you could use that technology. You could get by but you would miss out on improvements relating to reception, sound quality, battery lifetime and more

> (like having a text editor window and a calculator window open on the same screen at the same time, a revolutionary and unobvious invention if there ever was one, which AFAIR used to be patented by IBM)

Well, if it is in the US you get the frequent confusion with design patents (protecting visual appearances of the calculator) with utility patent (protecting how it works). If we are talking about a utility patent I would expect it protected how they were able to have both programs on the screen, not just the fact that both could be shown.

BT Sues Google for Patent Infringements (Wired)

Posted Jan 9, 2012 10:41 UTC (Mon) by ekj (guest, #1524) [Link]

Patents are filed for many reasons. One of which is that some people consider it of value, i.e. you can use them as marketing towards both consumers and investors. Also, against similar-sized competitors they can be used both offensively and as deterrents.

A switch to trade-secret law would be very much preferable for software-patents, especially for user-interface-patents. These are by nature public, the patent-disclosure has zero value over a trade-secret. (having how to implement one-click shopping be a trade-secret, doesn't at all make it harder to re-implement it)

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