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Merry Christmas from FreeBSDMerry Christmas from FreeBSDPosted Dec 23, 2011 21:25 UTC (Fri) by jd (guest, #26381)In reply to: Merry Christmas from FreeBSD by mikov Parent article: Merry Christmas from FreeBSD
I've seen similar across other Linux-using companies. Awareness isn't what it [c|sh]ould be. However, the problem isn't limited to Linux. I've seen plenty of *BSD admins advocate telnet.
Probably one of the scariest situations was where an organization who shall not be named refused to run SSH but used RSH with .hosts files because that was "more secure". I spent about a week sobbing into my beer.
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Merry Christmas from FreeBSD Posted Dec 23, 2011 23:00 UTC (Fri) by mordae (subscriber, #54701) [Link]
I usually run away. And learn that it's the same s... over there as well.
Seriously, do people screw up this much in other areas as well? Or is it IT specific?
Merry Christmas from FreeBSD Posted Dec 23, 2011 23:28 UTC (Fri) by jd (guest, #26381) [Link]
It seems pretty universal. I've seen similar... phenomena in many other fields. The Guardian newspaper over in the UK did a series of articles on risk assessment and achievement assessment, which claimed to show that people are bad at both.
To bring this back to IT, it does demonstrate (to me, anyways) that we do need something analogous to Formal Methods. We need objective tools and techniques for ensuring the correctness of what is done meets the desired standard. Formal Methods are not much used because they are difficult to use well and transfer almost the entire effort into getting things right the first time.
(Consider how long it takes a project in Linux to go from first idea to an ultra-stable form, along with all the developers and testers it needs to do that. Now make that the up-front cost before anything is released at all.)
Merry Christmas from FreeBSD Posted Dec 24, 2011 8:07 UTC (Sat) by mordae (subscriber, #54701) [Link]
Yeah, we need to fix the insane hunt for low costs first. :-\
Merry Christmas from FreeBSD Posted Dec 24, 2011 9:27 UTC (Sat) by oldtomas (guest, #72579) [Link] [...] it does demonstrate (to me, anyways) that we do need something analogous to Formal Methods.I respectfully disagree. Formal Methods is a tool. What we need is education and culture. Tools without the corresponding culture tend to evolve into monstrous red tape generators. Have you witnessed an Agile Team in a big corp lately? People have to understand and approve the tools they use.
Merry Christmas from FreeBSD Posted Dec 24, 2011 17:21 UTC (Sat) by dsimic (subscriber, #72007) [Link]
It shouldn't be specific to the IT. People are just lazy / stupid and don't see
the difference in doing something the right or the wrong way.
And it's much harder to spend a lot of time doing something the right way.
Merry Christmas from FreeBSD Posted Dec 26, 2011 16:19 UTC (Mon) by Trelane (subscriber, #56877) [Link]
> And it's much harder to spend a lot of time doing something the right way.
> And it leaves much less time for posting s**t on Facebook. ;)
Funny because it's true:
Merry Christmas from FreeBSD Posted Dec 25, 2011 8:56 UTC (Sun) by elvis_ (subscriber, #63935) [Link]
I am a long time linux user but don't work in the IT field, I can assure you it is universal. I explain it to my business partner (who is somewhat of a perfectionist) by... remember all those kids who were dumb as a box of hammers in school, they all have jobs and some of them are in charge!!!! deal with it.
Apologies in advance to those in advance to those with learning difficulties and the smart who were just plain bored, I didn't mean to offend you... and both of you should be able to work out the meaning anyway.
Merry Christmas from FreeBSD Posted Dec 28, 2011 14:17 UTC (Wed) by steffen780 (guest, #68142) [Link]
Very good explanation!
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