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And privacy ? i really don't like to use web browser to do install...
How does it work for disonnected-from-the-net sites ?
I hope it's secure
Posted Dec 2, 2011 8:13 UTC (Fri) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950)
Note that GNOME shell does not allow a random website. It only allows the site extensions.gnome.org via https. LWN already covered all the security tradeoffs before.
Regarding privacy, this is setup by the same people who made GNOME shell. So maybe we are like your phone and we already track everything. Or perhaps we can be trusted. :P But you can still install manually.
The installation is not done by the browser btw, it is handled by GNOME shell (site->plugin->shell; shell making the decision + taking action in the end).
Posted Dec 2, 2011 10:37 UTC (Fri) by cortana (subscriber, #24596)
Posted Dec 2, 2011 12:21 UTC (Fri) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950)
Posted Dec 2, 2011 13:01 UTC (Fri) by flammon (guest, #807)
I'm sure the developers have seen The Matrix so they're familiar with what happens when a door to the Real World opens.
Posted Dec 5, 2011 13:22 UTC (Mon) by hnsr (guest, #78227)
Can the extensions system be disabled?
Posted Dec 3, 2011 1:00 UTC (Sat) by coriordan (guest, #7544)
(Having extensions as packages in distros would be great.)
Posted Dec 3, 2011 3:00 UTC (Sat) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950)
Posted Dec 4, 2011 20:09 UTC (Sun) by coriordan (guest, #7544)
Package maintainers are the reason I trust software to do things such as playing nice with my other software, that the licence has been verified, that the uninstall option will do what it should.
In "non-distro-ised" operating systems (which are all proprietary), the lack of these things leaves systems in a mess. I hope free software doesn't migrate to non-distro-ised ways of distributing software. The ability to add a layer of verification is one of the advantages we have over proprietary software.
It would be great if the extensions could be put into the distros. They could be grouped into a number of bundles if the number is too large. At times they might be months out of date, but that's still clearly preferable in my book.
Posted Dec 5, 2011 8:47 UTC (Mon) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950)
Posted Dec 5, 2011 13:10 UTC (Mon) by coriordan (guest, #7544)
But that's just "if". Hopefully they will get packaged, just like Firefox extensions are packaged in Debian.
Posted Dec 5, 2011 14:48 UTC (Mon) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950)
The difference in this case is that extensions.gnome.org provides an easy way to avoid the distro and see what has not packaged.
I get the impression you think providing a easier non-distro method is somehow a bad thing done by GNOME?
Posted Dec 5, 2011 19:56 UTC (Mon) by coriordan (guest, #7544)
If most/many users are installing stuff directly, then distros have less motivation to package and maintain that software. It seems likely that less software will go through the distro systems, and if that happens then I think free software will be undermining one of its big advantages.
By ftp, there's a power-sharing system. The GNOME devs decide the direction of the software, and the distros can exercise decisions such as when to migrate to the newest version, how it should be configured, what apps should own what mime types, etc.
The distros might seem to hold a lot of power there, but because there are many distros and they have to keep their users happy or lose them, the distros are kept in check too. The same isn't true for GNOME. There's only one set of developers I can get GNOME directly from.
With direct-install, there's no more power-sharing, no more review, no more testing to see if it plays nice with my non-GNOME software, no more need to worry about users going elsewhere etc.
(These issues would disappear if GNOME starts getting forked or if the direct-install repositories get forked, but such forks don't exist today, and we already have the distros which provide these services, so I'd rather support the distros than encourage multiple forks of GNOME.)
Could be a step in the wrong direction.
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