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The Journal - a proposed syslog replacementThe Journal - a proposed syslog replacementPosted Nov 19, 2011 8:57 UTC (Sat) by aleXXX (subscriber, #2742)Parent article: The Journal - a proposed syslog replacement
Another practical concern: Lennart is developing a lot of new stuff, supposed to sit at the core of a Linux system.
PA, systemd, bluez, now this, was there more ?
Every piece you write you have to maintain in the future. Even more so for such core tools. This adds up.
Alex
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The Journal - a proposed syslog replacement Posted Nov 19, 2011 9:52 UTC (Sat) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
You are trying too hard. Lennart has already handed over development and maintenance of PulseAudio, Bluez to other people and Avahi doesn't require much ongoing work at all. systemd also has other maintainers.
The Journal - a proposed syslog replacement Posted Nov 19, 2011 10:31 UTC (Sat) by aleXXX (subscriber, #2742) [Link]
No, I'm not trying anything.
This is just not how I understand software development.
Implement something new and cool and then hand it over to others because you don't care anymore.
I am still maintaining now in my spare time in the evenings the stuff I added to CMake in 2007 (more than 4 years ago) when I was working at Kitware as a paid job. I still feel responsible for it.
Alex
The Journal - a proposed syslog replacement Posted Nov 19, 2011 12:17 UTC (Sat) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
What makes your method better? First you were worried that he isn't going to be able to maintain all of it but when I point out he isn't doing that, you complain about that too. I wonder what outcome will be considered satisfactory according to you.
The Journal - a proposed syslog replacement Posted Nov 19, 2011 12:51 UTC (Sat) by aleXXX (subscriber, #2742) [Link]
That he maintains his stuff.
Writing something, and then leaving the rest to others is easy.
Other well known developers ?
I mean, I'm not aware of any other high-profile developer who started so many things in such a short time and doesn't maintain them anymore.
Alex
The Journal - a proposed syslog replacement Posted Nov 19, 2011 13:22 UTC (Sat) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
Now, this is exactly what I meant by you trying too hard. Lennart is still involved in everything he has written. Doesn't mean, he has to be the primary maintainer. I see, your list includes KDE but doesn't mention GNOME. That's very convenient. Firefox? Apache? PHP? Exim? GTK? The list of projects that have new maintainers now is far longer than yours.
David Faure might be involved in KDE but what about all the different KDE modules? There is nothing to indicate that developers have to hang on to every project they start forever. Quite the opposite. Transitioning maintenance is a *very healthy* thing to do. Nobody has to worry about the bus factor much if every project had new maintainers from time to time.
The Journal - a proposed syslog replacement Posted Nov 19, 2011 14:16 UTC (Sat) by Wol (guest, #4433) [Link]
But what if Lennart's strength is in design, not maintenance? As I describe myself, people come to me if they need a problem solved. Once I've found the solution, looking after it gets taken away from me.
Why do you want to ignore Lennart's strengths, and harp on his weaknesses?
After all, take Linus for example, how much kernel code does he write nowadays? I understand the answer is "nothing".
Why SHOULD Lennart have to look after his stuff that he's designed, once others see its value and take it over? Or do you think that Linus should be using a large chunk of his time looking after git?
Cheers,
That's funny... Posted Nov 19, 2011 14:37 UTC (Sat) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link] I mean, I'm not aware of any other high-profile developer who started so many things in such a short time and doesn't maintain them anymore. Funny that you started with Linus. Who quite explicitly developed "new thing" (git) and quickly shuffled maintenance to others. The fact is: creation of new software and maintenance are both important but these are different skillsets. If Lennart can find good maintainers who will support his creations - then all is well. Linus is good in both creation and maintenance roles - but even does not support everything he wrote.
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