Why GNOME refugees love Xfce (Register) [LWN.net]

Why GNOME refugees love Xfce (Register)

Posted Nov 15, 2011 15:59 UTC (Tue) by ebassi (subscriber, #54855)
In reply to: Why GNOME refugees love Xfce (Register) by nevets
Parent article: Why GNOME refugees love Xfce (Register)

I'm sorry but considering users of your tool ass**** is not something I consider to be good user development

again with the reading comprehension skills.

I said that I consider whoever self-identifies as a power user — i.e. says it in all seriousness about him or herself — an ass****. I have almost two decades of experience in people doing exactly that and revealing themselves as ass*****. hell, I used to do that when I was an angsty teenager, and I was that ass****. I moved on, though; not something that happens to everyone, apparently.

Maybe a luser, but not a ass****

aaand the instant you say something like this, it makes it so hard for me to take you seriously.

What I hate is that Gnome3 took away the desktop environment that I do use

yes, we came around to your house and office at night and removed everything from your machines. not only that, we removed the packages from every distribution, the tarballs from every server, and the source code from the various repositories.

we are mean ones, us Grinch^H^H^H^H^HNOME developers.

"we are placing gnome2 into maintenance mode, and will only do minor bug fixes here and there, but are not going to add any more features. We are focusing on a new desktop environment called Gnome-elite, and there is no guarantee that gnome2 will be compatible with Gonme-elite."

s/-elite/3/g. there, I Fixed That For You.

it's exactly what we said. for two years. if you weren't listening, sorry: short of coming around the house of every Linux user personally and handing you a note, I'm not sure of what should have been done.

Yes, I currently switched to Xfce

good for you. seriously: you're a user that can move across distro boundaries, or across environment boundaries, without much of a problem. you're a niche user, inside a niche market. personally, I don't find you so interesting that I have to design and write the software in my own spare time to please you (or the ones like you). now, since this is my own time, are you really feeling so entitled that you also need to vent to me about the fact that I don't consider you a target user?

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Why GNOME refugees love Xfce (Register)

Posted Nov 15, 2011 16:41 UTC (Tue) by nevets (subscriber, #11875) [Link]

I still consider users that consider themselves "power users" users, and not ass****. My experience with this must be different than yours. For me, I've learned the most from my power users, and was able to make my tools much better by accommodating them.

Yes, my "lusers" comment was actually stated tongue in cheek. It was not suppose to be taken seriously. Please don't assume the rest of my reply had the same attitude as this comment.

No, you didn't come physically into my house and take away gnome2 from me. But you came very close. The point is that you made it hard for the distros to support both gnome2 and gnome3. If I don't want to stay in a old version of a distro, I'm forced to either go with gnome3 or use another DE. I really liked gnome2 (well at least the gnome2 panel), and it is now basically impossible for me to have an up-to-date system and gnome2.

s/-elite/3/ is not the same, because I can not have both gnome2 *and* gnome3 installed at the same time. This is the biggest flaw that the gnome developers don't seem to give a shit about. You no longer support gnome, you support some new entirely different DE and renamed it to gnome. gnome is DEAD. And is forever dead in my eyes. Maybe Mate will bring it back to life. If I had more time I would be spending it helping them (him) out. Unfortunately I'm in charge of too many projects to work on this.

I'm not totally happy with Xfce. It just seems to be the closest to gnome that I can come across. But as of now, gnome no longer exists.

Why GNOME refugees love Xfce (Register)

Posted Nov 15, 2011 18:14 UTC (Tue) by deepfire (subscriber, #26138) [Link]

Tell you what.

I'm hesitating to say it, but I heavily suspect that they wanted it this way -- Gnome 2 firmly in its grave.

All in all, decisions like this (whether or not to spend effort on parallel installability) are a sum of many factors, but in this case, one factor, I suspect, dominated them all.

"Diluting momentum" on a controversial change, in the high-stakes, high-competitition game of DEs.