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Why GNOME refugees love Xfce (Register)Why GNOME refugees love Xfce (Register)Posted Nov 9, 2011 21:24 UTC (Wed) by leif81 (guest, #75132)Parent article: Why GNOME refugees love Xfce (Register)
Funny that the second xfce screenshot in the article looks almost identical to gnome shell.
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Why GNOME refugees love Xfce (Register) Posted Nov 9, 2011 22:59 UTC (Wed) by zzxtty (subscriber, #45175) [Link]
Looks are not the problem, it's all about functionality. I was happy with gnome when you could right click on the background and select new terminal. Terminals, 8 vitual desktops, the time/date on the title bar and working copy/paste (by working I mean select with left mouse button and paste with middle, not windows key combinations. If I'm using the mouse I don't see why I should be forced to use the keyboard as well). That was all I wanted, unfortunately gnome seems to have broken pretty much all of that. I don't really care, I've moved on, I'm using xfce.
what middle button does Posted Nov 10, 2011 1:29 UTC (Thu) by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167) [Link]
The operation you describe isn't copy/paste
It's select / paste-current-selection
These are distinct, one uses PRIMARY the other uses CLIPBOARD, except when running broken applications [or in the case of early Qt, a whole toolkit] that were designed by people who didn't know how this stuff works and tried to "fix" it to work how they thought it was supposed to, rather than reading the documentation and being enlightened.
(Or in the case of X-chat, they're copying a Windows app, which in turn cloned a Unix app which Windows users thought was "copying" data when it was selected... sigh)
what middle button does Posted Nov 10, 2011 4:42 UTC (Thu) by deepfire (subscriber, #26138) [Link]
I love the way your tour-de-force display of technical expertise is somehow appearing to cast a shadow on the position of the poster you're replying to. Or maybe I'm seeing ghosts?
In any case, I don't see how you added (refined, clarified) anything to the core thrust of his message.
And yes, I'm absolutely sure, that the details of PRIMARY and CLIPBOARD uses in Gnome 3 are technically impeccable.
what middle button does Posted Nov 22, 2011 0:40 UTC (Tue) by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167) [Link]
It's very common that people are annoyed about something because they thought they understood it, but in fact they didn't, and so now something has happened which they perceive as a disruption to the natural order of things, but in fact they just didn't understand in the first place.
Language Log provides a long stream of examples of people complaining of this or that "mistake" or "modernism" in English when in fact the supposed "error" can be traced back to impeccable English writers from centuries previous.
Most of the time it doesn't help, people go along believing that they're right and the whole world is wrong. But once in a while, just often enough to give hope, someone says "Oh, I see, how embarrassing" and learns a little bit more about the world.
what middle button does Posted Nov 10, 2011 10:34 UTC (Thu) by zzxtty (subscriber, #45175) [Link]
Support (of what I consider to be the vastly superior) the "select / paste-current-selection" method is inconsistent (that's me being polite) on modern desktops. I'm now no longer sure what I'm going to get when I hit paste, sometimes the right thing, sometimes nothing, sometimes something from a week ago.
Ctrl + c was always used to send a SIGINT to a program, I always thought it odd when window managers started copying windows keyboard shortcuts.
I'm now trying to remember how we did handle copy/paste back in the days of twm/fvwm/olvwm, I seem to recall a whole bunch of clipboards that never kept in sync. The History of Copy and Paste - there's a book title for you, granted it probably won't be a best seller.
what middle button does Posted Nov 25, 2011 19:33 UTC (Fri) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link]
I dunno what you count under modern desktops, then, for me Plasma at least has always been quite predictable thanks to Klipper... At least with Qt apps. Firefox, Chromium and some other GTK apps seem to screw up the clipboard sometimes (but surely not predictably, I'm not even sure it's them).
Why GNOME refugees love Xfce (Register) Posted Nov 10, 2011 21:26 UTC (Thu) by cortana (subscriber, #24596) [Link]
I too was annoyed about losing the ability to launch a terminal from the Desktop, until I realised that It's silly to use the mouse to launch the terminal that you're about to type in! A quick trip to system settings allowed me to bind Ctrl+Alt+T to 'launch terminal'. I liked this so much that I changed it on my GNOME 2 desktop too (that I can't upgrade to GNOME 3 because it insists on needing 3d acceleration... I'm yet to be convinced that this is desirable or necessary).
It's also neat how you can launch a terminal by hitting the Windows key (or Alt+F1) and just typing 'term' and hitting enter. Same for launching or switching to any other application.
Why GNOME refugees love Xfce (Register) Posted Nov 10, 2011 23:15 UTC (Thu) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]
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I can't upgrade to GNOME 3 because it insists on needing 3d acceleration... I'm yet to be convinced that this is desirable or necessary</blockquote>
<p>This is a common misconception that this has something to do with 3d, probably because of all the wacky compiz effects, but this is really only about having GPU acceleration or not. In the next version they are no longer blacklisting Gallium/llvmpipe for accelerated graphics using the main CPU so you should be able to get the same graphics even without a working GPU, although offloading to a GPU is best.
Why GNOME refugees love Xfce (Register) Posted Nov 11, 2011 6:55 UTC (Fri) by Frej (subscriber, #4165) [Link]
The activity shortcut + default search gives you a better version of this for every installed application, or even a matched document.
So Meta+ter+enter should launch terminal. I doubt it orders by most used though, so if u install something else you might need one more key, but i can be fixed. It's pretty nice since it works without setting up keyboard shortcuts. Most would never do that.
I had the same binding on gnome2 ;)
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