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Fedora 16 is Coming With Big Changes (Linux.com)Fedora 16 is Coming With Big Changes (Linux.com)Posted Nov 2, 2011 0:08 UTC (Wed) by dashesy (subscriber, #74652)Parent article: Fedora 16 is Coming With Big Changes (Linux.com)
"Currently the LXDE and Electronic Lab spins are getting a lot of favorable attention."I thought Xfce is more popular, specially when Linus mentioned using it in an email. After trying Xfce for a few month I really like it better than the fallback mode I was using before. I tried LXDE at first, it was great but it crashed as soon as I changed my background, which was a showstopper for me.
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Fedora 16 is Coming With Big Changes (Linux.com) Posted Nov 2, 2011 10:21 UTC (Wed) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950) [Link]
That seems way more buggy than you'd expect. This was in a stable version?
(just curious from QA standpoint, I don't use LXDE.. nor XFCE as well)
Fedora 16 is Coming With Big Changes (Linux.com) Posted Nov 2, 2011 16:09 UTC (Wed) by dashesy (subscriber, #74652) [Link] As far as I remember it was installed from iso file and updated from official yum repositories (the very first run). Here is the actual bug report, in which I misspelled the name in the first comment I made After that crash I switched to the fallback mode for some time, so Xfce might have had the same problem at the time.
Fedora 16 is Coming With Big Changes (Linux.com) Posted Nov 2, 2011 16:56 UTC (Wed) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950) [Link]
Thanks for bugreport link. Crash occurs in X. So would be more difficult for the LXDE developers to notice that (they might have a different X version and so on). Still not good if you want to use it, but at least not a bug in LXDE itself.
Fedora 16 is Coming With Big Changes (Linux.com) Posted Nov 2, 2011 12:08 UTC (Wed) by clump (subscriber, #27801) [Link]
Fallback mode works well for me. Only real caveat is that I don't know of a simple way to edit the current GTK theme. I liked that you could easily customize your running theme in prior versions.
Fedora 16 is Coming With Big Changes (Linux.com) Posted Nov 2, 2011 12:25 UTC (Wed) by mordae (subscriber, #54701) [Link]
It's not that complicated. You need the gnome-tweak-tool to change themes (both shell and gtk). I have not seen any alternative shell themes around, but the GTK theme can be changed pretty easily. At least colour-wise.
If the only thing you want is dark GTK, I suggest combining GTK2 Nodoka Midnight and GTK3 default theme in /usr/share/themes/YourTheme and them overwriting the main css of the GTK3 theme with it's -dark.css variant (which is present).
Or you could just dig into the css and do some styling on your own.
Fedora 16 is Coming With Big Changes (Linux.com) Posted Nov 2, 2011 13:59 UTC (Wed) by clump (subscriber, #27801) [Link]
I'll certainly agree gnome-tweak-tool helps. You're correct, I do prefer dark themes so I'll give your method a try.
What I specifically miss is "system > preferences > appearance" and then having immediate, granular control of GTK's appearance. Since I've not filed/searched for an RFE, the onus is on me to suggest it.
Fedora 16 is Coming With Big Changes (Linux.com) Posted Nov 2, 2011 14:36 UTC (Wed) by brunowolff (guest, #71160) [Link]
You can do the old stuff using gconf-editor and dconf-editor, but you need to know what to change. Often you can find what you need using google. What I have been doing for things I wanted to change, but weren't covered by gnome-tweak-tool is file RFE bugs to get them on the developer's radar.
Fallback mode is pretty close to gnome2 in F16 and is working very well these days.
Fedora 16 is Coming With Big Changes (Linux.com) Posted Nov 2, 2011 22:30 UTC (Wed) by mordae (subscriber, #54701) [Link]
Yeah, I almost gave up because of this silly effort to make tweaking desktop impossible. But once the alternate-tab plugin will get fixed and make it's way to F16, I will be able to use it out-of-box with no forward-porting and other nuisances, similar to how F13 have been. :-)
Fedora 16 is Coming With Big Changes (Linux.com) Posted Nov 3, 2011 12:38 UTC (Thu) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950) [Link]
Various people have been working for a good gnome-shell extension infrastructure (code + sysadmin + procedure wise) for a while now. It just takes time to get a good solution in place (e.g. ensuring security is right and so on). Deadline for this is GNOME 3.4; though hope everyone is be able to finish way before.
Fedora 16 is Coming With Big Changes (Linux.com) Posted Nov 2, 2011 12:55 UTC (Wed) by proski (subscriber, #104) [Link] I could not find a way to add items to the top-level menu. I can add items with alacarte, but they don't appear in the menu. That's a regression compared to GNOME 2. Perhaps I should have reported it, but I don't want to spend much time on something that is called the fallback mode. So I run LXDE. I reported a bug in LXDE (actually, in its window manager, openbox), and it's fixed now. LXDE treats me like a first class citizen, not as an old fart with a crappy video card.
Fedora 16 is Coming With Big Changes (Linux.com) Posted Nov 5, 2011 16:53 UTC (Sat) by proski (subscriber, #104) [Link]
P.S. alacarte is totally broken in Fedora 16, there is a bug for that and nobody is doing anything about it. We are officially old farts.
Fedora 16 is Coming With Big Changes (Linux.com) Posted Nov 2, 2011 13:19 UTC (Wed) by jengelh (subscriber, #33263) [Link]
xfce settings manager > Appearance > Style > (pick)?
adwaita, clearlooks, crux, gilouche, and all the others are there for me.
XFCE works for me (vs. GNOME 3) Posted Nov 2, 2011 13:35 UTC (Wed) by david.a.wheeler (guest, #72896) [Link]
I switched from GNOME 3 to XFCE, and XFCE works really well. (I'm a co-author of the GNOME 2 user manual, so I'm no stranger to GNOME.) There was a regression in XFCE's "Thunar" when accessing Samba shares, but that's been fixed in a Fedora 15 update (it was a bug upstream) and it should be fixed in mainline soon (if it's not already).
XFCE works for me (vs. GNOME 3) Posted Nov 2, 2011 18:34 UTC (Wed) by sbdep (subscriber, #13282) [Link]
Thunar can access samba shares? Last time I was looking (a few weeks ago) I only found third party things like using fuse modules to mount samba shares.
If there is any better built in support to browse smb networks and access shares, please share :)
(I should note I am running debian stable, so I believe that is XFCE 4.6)
Thanks
XFCE works for me (vs. GNOME 3) Posted Nov 2, 2011 20:45 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
Thunar should support GVFS, which is Gnome's application level file system abstraction. It supports CIFS/SMB, FTP, WebDAV/WebDAVS, SSH/SFTP, OBEX (bluetooth), and AFP (apple), and a few others.
Non-Gnome applications would need to access GVFS shares through ~/.gvfs FUSE mount point. This requires the user to have FUSE permissions.
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