Kernel.org's road to recovery

it was 'bad faith' and i think you've got enough proof now (straight from the horses's mouth even) that i was right ;). as a sidenote, calling someone a looney is "*really likely* to make people trust you and want to work with you". oh the irony ;).

> This is why PaXTeam's excellent technical nous goes largely wasted into
> out-of-tree stuff that is relatively little used[1]:

being out-of-tree is not a waste, it's called a fork and is actively encouraged by kernel developers (i'm sure you can google some Linus quotes to that effect yourself). second, PaX is more like a research project, not a product, so it's natural that its userbase is restricted. nevertheless, the ideas pioneered there over the years have found their way into every major OS these days (linux, BSDs, iOS (both kinds of them), OS X, Windows, etc). i wish every good thing in the world was this 'wasted' ;).

> when he tries to interact with other people, the moment any criticism of
> any kind is levelled -- which takes about six seconds on a list as
> hardboiled as the kernel list -- out come the vituperative personal
> attacks, conspiracy theories, and imputations of malice -- and of course
> he is never wrong either, no matter what evidence is presented

that was quite a mouthful, but let me try to make some sense of it. first, some kind of proof would be useful in general when you throw out accusations (the irony is that you asked for the same in the past, yet are refusing to do the exact same thing when it's your turn ;). second, you should probably be reading more lkml to know the context better and understand the social interactions there. third, what evidence are you talking about? last i checked, i had a few dozen unanswered questions left, both on lkml and here, and i'm still waiting patiently for the 'evidence' ;).

> I expect further personal attacks in response to this comment [...]

so you go out of your way to attack me personally and at the same time make also snide remarks at kernel developers. and then you run and cry 'but pretty please do not come after me'. IOW, you've just proven yourself to be a troll (not that i had any doubts before ;).

PS: your knowledge of the linux ecosystem is kinda outdated. Fedora et al. are 'irrelevant'. what matters today is android, by virtue of having an install base of orders of magnitude bigger than even Ubuntu. the rest is 'also run' (no disrespect meant, but nix's playing the numbers game here and the numbers are like this. i personally don't care which particular linux flavour ends up using PaX or other ideas, the important thing is that they're available for those who need them).