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Why not call it "Ubuntu 12.04"?Why not call it "Ubuntu 12.04"?Posted Oct 6, 2011 1:34 UTC (Thu) by geuder (subscriber, #62854)In reply to: Why not call it "Ubuntu 12.04"? by stevenj Parent article: Shuttleworth: P is forÂ…
> These code names just add a pointless level of indirection to versioning.
Not only pointless, but plain harmful to the Ubuntu mission to be the Linux for non-geeks available in whatever language people happen to speak
1. While not being a native speaker of English, I have never had any problems with my understanding of English as far as computer software is concerned until I hit Ubuntu codenmaes. Native speakers, please remember your offshore English.
2. If the non-geek browses a forum somewhere, people will talk about running Natty, this was already fixed in Intrepid etc. etc. What??? Must be some geek speak
I have given "Linux" courses to non techies and I always need a whole slide and 15 minutes to tell them there is no reason to be afraid of the code names. Effort that could be spent much more productively.
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Why not call it "Ubuntu 12.04"? Posted Oct 6, 2011 6:25 UTC (Thu) by niner (subscriber, #26151) [Link]
So which was first? Vista or XP? Millenium or 2000? Why is 7 after 98?
I dare say Windows users already know how to deal with a completely illogical naming scheme. And those are a huge part of the population. For complete newbies to computing, version numbers may be just as confusing. What is the difference between 1.1 and 1.10? Aren't those the same numbers?
As a non-Ubuntu user, these names don't speak to me. But the version numbers don't make much more sense either.
Why not call it "Ubuntu 12.04"? Posted Oct 6, 2011 22:30 UTC (Thu) by geuder (subscriber, #62854) [Link]
> I dare say Windows users already know how to deal with a completely illogical naming
I hope you don't advocate that all other great properties of M$ products should be copied to Ubuntu;) If others make user's life difficult it's no excuse to do it, too.
XP just celebrated its 10th anniversary and has only around the same time lost its rank as the most used Windows variant. Most users never upgrade a Windows system. There are ~7 times more Ubuntu names to memorize. Of course the average LWN reader might soon observe that they are sorted alphabetically, but I don't think that LWN readers are the main target group for Ubuntu.
Why not call it "Ubuntu 12.04"? Posted Oct 8, 2011 12:47 UTC (Sat) by jengelh (subscriber, #33263) [Link]
>>I dare say Windows users already know how to deal with a completely illogical naming
>I hope you don't advocate that all other great properties of M$ products should be copied to Ubuntu;)
Wanting to replace Microsoft (see bug #1) can only happen if you become the new Microsoft in the process.
Why not call it "Ubuntu 12.04"? Posted Oct 7, 2011 20:53 UTC (Fri) by einstein (subscriber, #2052) [Link]
> As a non-Ubuntu user, these names don't speak to me. But the version numbers don't make much more sense either.
Huh? YY.MM makes perfect sense to me. What could possibly be any clearer?
Why not call it "Ubuntu 12.04"? Posted Oct 9, 2011 11:16 UTC (Sun) by ballombe (subscriber, #9523) [Link]
Y2K and I18N. In France the normal order is dd/mm/yy, so when you see 11.04, at best you think 2004/11 instead of 2011/04, at worse you wonder why it moves from 10.10 to 11.04, so 2011.04 would be clearer.
Why not call it "Ubuntu 12.04"? Posted Oct 9, 2011 11:21 UTC (Sun) by niner (subscriber, #26151) [Link]
Thanks for explaining before I could come up with a good answer :)
Of course, one even has to recognice two dual-digit-numbers separated by a period as something date related first.
Why not call it "Ubuntu 12.04"? Posted Oct 6, 2011 7:23 UTC (Thu) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link] 1. While not being a native speaker of English, I have never had any problems with my understanding of English as far as computer software is concerned until I hit Ubuntu codenmaes. And that's a problem because... why? You don't like learning new words, or new animal names? I'm a near-native speaker of English, probably better than most native speakers; I didn't know "oneiric" either, and it didn't particularly bother me. In any case, the animals and their preceding adjectives have nothing to do with the release itself. Shuttleworth perhaps tries to choose the more "sober" adjectives for LTS releases, but please don't go by that. It is perfectly fine if someone doesn't know what those words mean. Most of us don't know what Arrandale, Beckton or Clovertown are either, but it doesn't stop us using those processors.
Why not call it "Ubuntu 12.04"? Posted Oct 6, 2011 14:58 UTC (Thu) by pataphysician (guest, #73773) [Link]
There' no need to understand the words, there just fun and can be used as a mnemonic device to remember the alphabet sequence, so Intrepid is I and Natty is N and since I comes before N, you know which came first and how many releases were in between, this was not true in the first three releases.
Most users, regular or even geeky, have a hard time remembering version numbers or even version letters, and so would have to look to make sure they remember correctly, whereas names, especially with alliteration, stick in your head.
I use arch so I don't have to remember any version numbers or names ;), but I don't find Ubuntu, Debian, OSX or Androids use of names harmful.
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