GNOME 3.2 released
| From: | Matthias Clasen <mclasen-AT-redhat.com> | |
| To: | gnome-announce-list-AT-gnome.org, "devel-announce-list-AT-gnome.org" <devel-announce-list-AT-gnome.org> | |
| Subject: | GNOME 3.2 Released | |
| Date: | Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:51:24 -0400 | |
| Message-ID: | <1317235884.7621.19.camel@lemur> |
GNOME 3.2 Released
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Today, the GNOME Project celebrates the release of GNOME 3.2, the
latest version of the popular, multi-platform free desktop environment
and of its developer platform. With this timely release, we are
continuing our very successful, reliable six month release cycle
into the GNOME 3 era.
GNOME 3.2 is the first major update of the GNOME 3 platform. It
builds on the foundations that we have laid with 3.0 and offers a
much more complete experience. The exciting new features and
improvements in this release include new contacts and documents
applications, a new login screen, an on-screen keyboard, color
management support, and many more. For more information about
the major changes in GNOME 3.2, please visit our release notes:
http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.2/
GNOME 3.2 will be available shortly in most distributions.
Live images of GNOME 3.2 are currently being prepared and will
appear soon at:
http://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/
This six months effort wouldn't have been possible without the whole
GNOME community, made of contributors from all around the world:
hackers, documentors, usability and accessibility specialists,
translators, maintainers, sysadmins, companies, artists, users and
testers. GNOME would not exist without all those people. Thanks very
much to every one of them!
Our next release, GNOME 3.4, is planned for March 2012.
Until then, enjoy GNOME 3.2 !
The GNOME Release Team
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Posted Sep 28, 2011 21:04 UTC (Wed)
by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
[Link] (56 responses)
Posted Sep 29, 2011 1:02 UTC (Thu)
by brouhaha (subscriber, #1698)
[Link] (55 responses)
I've switched to XFCE, but still hope that someday GNOME 3 might evolve back into something I can use.
I use Windows as little as possible, but it appears that Windows 8 is also trying to make their UI drool-proof. If you make software drool-proof, only a drooler will want to use it.
Posted Sep 29, 2011 8:28 UTC (Thu)
by cmccabe (guest, #60281)
[Link] (3 responses)
Posted Sep 30, 2011 10:32 UTC (Fri)
by man_ls (guest, #15091)
[Link] (2 responses)
Posted Sep 29, 2011 12:22 UTC (Thu)
by alexl (subscriber, #19068)
[Link] (49 responses)
LWN usually has high standards in the comments, can we please everyone try to keep it that way.
Posted Sep 29, 2011 18:26 UTC (Thu)
by drag (guest, #31333)
[Link] (48 responses)
Gnome 3 kicks serious butt and it can only get better. They should be happy with their progress as it took Gnome 2.x up to 2.8 or 2.10 before it became actually pleasant to use. They did a good job getting the system up to speed quickly.
Posted Sep 29, 2011 22:46 UTC (Thu)
by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
[Link] (3 responses)
What is with the level of discourse around here?
Posted Sep 30, 2011 17:08 UTC (Fri)
by drag (guest, #31333)
[Link] (2 responses)
In case you didn't notice (which obviously you didn't) I didn't call them bitter and stupid because they hated Gnome 3. I called them bitter and stupid because they were behaving like a stupid bitter person. It's a choice they make and can stop being that way any time they feel like it.
Posted Sep 30, 2011 18:55 UTC (Fri)
by brouhaha (subscriber, #1698)
[Link]
That nobody "cares or wants to hear it" is an even better reason to stop using GNOME than the actual feature changes.
Posted Oct 1, 2011 1:25 UTC (Sat)
by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
[Link]
Besides, if you think nobody wants to hear it, then you should probably avoid read the huge numbers of comments being posted by both sides.
Posted Sep 30, 2011 2:07 UTC (Fri)
by brouhaha (subscriber, #1698)
[Link] (43 responses)
Posted Sep 30, 2011 3:24 UTC (Fri)
by tetromino (guest, #33846)
[Link] (39 responses)
The first day you try to use Gnome3, you will hate it. The second day, you will hate it much more. On the third day, you will want to write a vicious rant about how Gnome developers are personally out to kill your productivity. Yet to your own surprise, two weeks later, you will realize that you really do enjoy using it and never want to go back to Gnome2.
Gnome3 is definitely an acquired taste; too bad that people try it, see that it doesn't behave like other desktop environments, and drop it before getting a chance to become used to its user interaction model.
Posted Sep 30, 2011 5:02 UTC (Fri)
by brouhaha (subscriber, #1698)
[Link] (4 responses)
Clearcase was another one of those software packages that I was told was great once you acquired a taste for it. I was forced to use it for more than a year. It started out awful, and the more time went on, the more awfulness I discovered in it.
I don't at all mind that new versions of software and new ways of doing things; sometimes the new ways work out well for me, and other times not. I do object when they take away the old ways entirely. Contrary to the claims that have been made, "fallback mode" is not equivalent to the GNOME 2 environment. It works a little better for me than the default GNOME 3 mode, but still reduces my productivity compared to GNOME 2.
Posted Sep 30, 2011 11:53 UTC (Fri)
by ovitters (guest, #27950)
[Link] (3 responses)
But if nobody uses it, we'll probably remove it in a future version. It does take quite some development resources to ensure it keeps working.
Posted Sep 30, 2011 13:01 UTC (Fri)
by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458)
[Link] (1 responses)
I can't really give line and verse now, but when I updated my Fedora rawhide netbook to Gnome 3 for some reason 3D didn't work at first, the Gnome3-fallback was quite grating for Gnome2 accustomed fingers/brain.
Posted Oct 2, 2011 22:56 UTC (Sun)
by ovitters (guest, #27950)
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Posted Sep 30, 2011 15:53 UTC (Fri)
by dashesy (guest, #74652)
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Posted Sep 30, 2011 10:21 UTC (Fri)
by NRArnot (subscriber, #3033)
[Link] (26 responses)
Change a few words, and that's a good description of how some people end up as life-long tobacco smokers!
Seriously though, my hatred for the Gnome developers has nothing to do with a new product called Gnome 3. I'd happily have just left that to its fans and carried on using Gnome 2. I hate them because they chose to implement it in such a way that I cannot have both Gnome 2 and Gnome 3 loaded on the same (multi-user) system. They lied and called it an upgrade, not a new product. They should have forked it, and didn't. For several major distributions, that means my choice to use Gnome 2 has been taken away from me. It's exactly what Microsoft did with the XP interface when Vista came out. That's what I'd expect from Microsoft, but free software should better respect its users. So XFCE beckons. It's inferior to Gnome 2, but not seriously so. Mostly what it lacks is shinyness. Perhaps now the competition has blown both of its own feet off, XFCE will get some more attention.
Unless (please) someone with enough time and ability forks Gnome 2 so that I can start with Fedora 15 and do "yum groupinstall gnome-classic", select gnome-classic when I log in, and be happy again.
Posted Sep 30, 2011 11:36 UTC (Fri)
by ovitters (guest, #27950)
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Posted Sep 30, 2011 13:38 UTC (Fri)
by corbet (editor, #1)
[Link] (24 responses)
I've been fairly outspoken on how I feel about the GNOME 3 changes; after using it for months I still have not really come to love it. But how does that lead to talk of "hating" developers who have given away a lot of their work for free? Hate is not appropriate here at all, and talking about hating free software developers is not the way to build a functional and productive (or fun) community.
Posted Sep 30, 2011 14:53 UTC (Fri)
by NRArnot (subscriber, #3033)
[Link] (22 responses)
But rest assured, I'm pretty darned annoyed with whoever took the decision that meant having Gnome 3 on a system or in a distribution meant that I couldn't use Gnome 2 any more. How would you like it if while you were away, someone redecorated YOUR home in THEIR choice of colours and materials without your permission, which YOU, er, hated, and were were told it was the height of the latest interior design fashion and no way could you go back to how it was before?
Posted Sep 30, 2011 15:08 UTC (Fri)
by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
[Link] (11 responses)
http://k3rnel.net/tag/bluebubble/
It is rough round the edges but maybe a feasible solution for you. I personally recommend GNOME fallback mode or Xfce instead if GNOME Shell isn't the UI you like.
Posted Oct 1, 2011 1:46 UTC (Sat)
by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
[Link] (10 responses)
It's a good thing that Gnome endears itself so strongly to people! That's why it would be nice if major upgrades tried to be a little less... traumatic.
Posted Oct 1, 2011 12:47 UTC (Sat)
by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
[Link] (9 responses)
Posted Oct 1, 2011 15:46 UTC (Sat)
by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
[Link] (8 responses)
I hope in the future the Gnome team tries to make life a little easier on their renters and not just assume that people who don't like it can always go live in resorts. It would have been nice to be able to plan the move a little better. :)
Posted Oct 1, 2011 21:01 UTC (Sat)
by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
[Link] (7 responses)
Posted Oct 2, 2011 14:52 UTC (Sun)
by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
[Link]
Distros aren't granular.
Posted Oct 2, 2011 14:57 UTC (Sun)
by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
[Link] (5 responses)
Posted Oct 2, 2011 16:00 UTC (Sun)
by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
[Link] (4 responses)
Posted Oct 3, 2011 23:30 UTC (Mon)
by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
[Link] (3 responses)
But, you say that 3.0 only painted the walls black? A few cosmetic changes? You sure we're talking about the same release?
Posted Oct 4, 2011 2:09 UTC (Tue)
by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
[Link] (2 responses)
Posted Oct 4, 2011 8:17 UTC (Tue)
by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
[Link] (1 responses)
not working in VMs
Like you, I'm confident the driver issues will be worked out, the UI will be improved, and things will settle down again. All I'm saying is, judging by forum posts and mailing list messages, it feels like Gnome 3 did more than just paint the walls black!
(regretting speculating about someone liking Gnome more than his home... it seemed like an entertaining analogy at the time.)
Posted Oct 4, 2011 11:32 UTC (Tue)
by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
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Posted Sep 30, 2011 15:56 UTC (Fri)
by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639)
[Link] (9 responses)
Products come and go. Sometimes if the product is very popular and there is a lot of money at stake, dead products come back. But most of the time they don't. I'm still mourning the lost of the Carnation Instant Breakfast bar formulation that was available 15 years ago which was replaced by a softer gummier product using the same name. I was able to stockpile about 2 years worth of those in a vein effort to ride it out and wait for the older formulation to be re-introduced as Classic Instant Breakfast bar..but it never happened.
-jef"I really really miss Gnome 1.4"spaleta
Posted Sep 30, 2011 23:21 UTC (Fri)
by brouhaha (subscriber, #1698)
[Link] (8 responses)
Posted Sep 30, 2011 23:59 UTC (Fri)
by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639)
[Link] (6 responses)
-jef
Posted Oct 1, 2011 1:16 UTC (Sat)
by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
[Link] (5 responses)
Maybe Fedora dropped the ball for not warning: if you use dual screens and focus-follows-mouse then DO NOT UPGRADE!
> its your own fault for not paying attention and not asking questions before making the change
Really? What questions should I have asked before doing the F14->F15 upgrade? Isn't it reasonable to assume that laptops and dual-screen setups will continue to work? They always have in the past. (Well, I can think of one or two _minor_ exceptions like ALSA, but nothing like Fedora 15's break-the-world).
Posted Oct 1, 2011 6:15 UTC (Sat)
by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639)
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Works on my older personal laptop which I'm writing on right now. I haven't tried the s-video output yet, so I can't comment on that functionality. External vga output works dual head with the lcd display.
Works on my wife's laptop, external vga output works dual head with lcd display.
Suspend/resume appears to work on all 3 laptops.
-jef
Posted Oct 1, 2011 15:29 UTC (Sat)
by ean5533 (guest, #69480)
[Link] (3 responses)
As for focus-follows-mouse, I have no opinion on the matter because I don't use it. I don't know the usage statistics of FFM, but my instinct tells me that it's rarely a rarely used option (I have no data and will fully accept someone disproving me), which would explain why they've dropped support for it.
But regardless, the responsibility to research feature changes lies with you. The rest of the world is not obligated to enumerate every difference between their new default setup and your current one. It's not as though you were forced to do an upgrade -- you had as much time as you needed to read the numerous reviews and watch videos and read announcements. You could have even loaded F15 into a VM to test it out ahead of time.
Following this silly Mustang analogy: you willingly brought your car to the dealer for an upgrade which you knew nothing about. You didn't try taking an upgraded model for a test drive, nor did you even look at an example of what the upgraded model looked like. You just blindly did the upgrade. So why is this the dealer's fault?
Posted Oct 1, 2011 16:07 UTC (Sat)
by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
[Link] (2 responses)
Because I've bring my car in for this maintenance every six months without trouble. The dealer knew that this one was going to be brutal but didn't say anything ahead of time and had no plans for expected problems.
You can't seriously be suggesting end-users should bench-test every new release in a VM? What a waste of time that would be! The day distros demonstrate this much contempt for their users is the day I'll reluctantly buy a Mac.
According to the Gnome team, focus-follows-mouse wasn't dropped. The release notes mention fixes in 3.2.
Posted Oct 1, 2011 17:41 UTC (Sat)
by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
[Link] (1 responses)
Fallback mode was good but seems to have suffered a lot of the same driver problems as Gnome 3.
Posted Oct 1, 2011 18:21 UTC (Sat)
by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239)
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Posted Oct 1, 2011 0:00 UTC (Sat)
by ean5533 (guest, #69480)
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Let me stop you before you respond with "haven't you been reading the forums? No one likes GNOME 3.x". Two words: confirmation bias. Yes, if you search for examples of GNOME 3.x hatred, you can find plenty of examples of GNOME 3.x hatred. However, if you actually read the reviews and responses objectively then you will find praise as well -- nevermind that people are much more apt to complain than complement anyway.
Besides, if you don't like it then just go back to that Mustang you liked before. GNOME 2.x is out there for anyone to get their hands on. Yes, it isn't actually supported by the GNOME foundation anymore, but then again, neither is GNOME 1.x, yet somehow we manage to get through the day.
For the record, this is coming from someone who doesn't like GNOME 3.x at all.
Posted Sep 30, 2011 16:40 UTC (Fri)
by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458)
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Add that in Fedora's case there are plenty other environments available...
Posted Sep 30, 2011 21:57 UTC (Fri)
by jond (subscriber, #37669)
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Once things quieten down at work I'm planning to try and use it day-to-day for a while (via fedora 15 which we use on labs) before i contemplate nerfing my main environment (Debian/gnome2).
Posted Sep 30, 2011 23:05 UTC (Fri)
by jcm (subscriber, #18262)
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Posted Oct 1, 2011 10:55 UTC (Sat)
by drago01 (subscriber, #50715)
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So it did not work for 20 years ... why change it? Don't follow your logic.
> [...] rather than targeting a tablet release.
Sorry but I don't buy the "post-pc" crap. Tablets and smartphones have their use and place. (I do have a smartphone but don't see a need for a tablet) But they are *not* pc replacements.
Cars do outsell planes but this does not make them appropriate replacements.
Posted Oct 1, 2011 8:59 UTC (Sat)
by elama (guest, #262)
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Since gnome3 changed so much pretty everybody is a new user and giving it 2 weeks to learn the various tricks is more the profile of an expert tool, which has a rather steep learning curve, but rewards its users after they have become experts.
I did not use gnome3 until now, because I'm stuck with fedora 14 for various reasons. Anyway I will switch to fedora 16 after its release. And I'm really looking forward to make the same experience. I'm prepared to give gnome3 a few weeks, but I'll switch to xfce if it does not work out. My wife will switch to gnome3 at the same time and since she is rather the opposite of tech/computer affine, it will be very interesting to see the differences between us both...
Posted Oct 1, 2011 10:15 UTC (Sat)
by spongy (guest, #59953)
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I got tired of waiting for session save which the arrogant gnome people never cared to fix, but said it would be next release. Yeah right.
Posted Oct 2, 2011 6:43 UTC (Sun)
by AndreE (guest, #60148)
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I just don't "get" the use paradigm, and they lack of certain things, the extra keystrokes needed, and the inability to configure things just got in the way.
I seriously gave it a proper go, and I'm not certainly not an irrational hater. I understand it will get better, however I certainly think some of the attitudes and approaches from the project mouthpieces can be better.
When KDE4 was released, the KDE4 devs basically said straight out that it was essentially a preview release and things were likely to change. I think GNOME3 invited a lot of unnecessary criticism by basically stating outright that certain things were just never going to change, regardless of feedback.
Posted Oct 5, 2011 10:14 UTC (Wed)
by alex (subscriber, #1355)
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Posted Sep 30, 2011 12:58 UTC (Fri)
by coulamac (guest, #21690)
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By the way, Linus viciously criticized Gnome 2 as well. Later he switched to it and most recently bemoaned that Gnome 3 isn't like his beloved Gnome 2. The wheel keeps on turning. Maybe Linus will one day love Gnome 3.
Posted Sep 30, 2011 17:12 UTC (Fri)
by drag (guest, #31333)
[Link] (1 responses)
Does Linus log into LWN and piss and moan about Gnome every time there is a release announcement?
If the answer is no... then he isn't you and you are doing him a diservice by lumping him in with you. I am not irritated because of your opinions, I am irritated about your behavior.
Because of stuff like this:
Yes. Every Gnome 3 user is a "drooler" now?
Right.
Talk about the kettle calling the pot black.
Posted Oct 1, 2011 1:32 UTC (Sat)
by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
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You're both covered in soot (and now I am too). But only one person here is trying to silence others.
Posted Oct 1, 2011 22:27 UTC (Sat)
by dskoll (subscriber, #1630)
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I've switched to XFCE, but still hope that someday GNOME 3 might evolve back into something I can use.
Really? Why? I love XFCE. It's my idea of the perfect environment: Relatively lightweight, quite unobtrusive, and doesn't require me to change 20+ years' worth of habits.
I have both GNOME and KDE installed as well, because one of my kids likes KDE and the other two like GNOME. So I do occasionally see how the other half (other thirds?) live. KDE is very pretty, but slow on my hardware and far too distracting. GNOME is still on 2.x (OS being Debian Squeeze) so I have no idea what GNOME 3.x is like. I'd still take XFCE over GNOME 2.x.
Posted Sep 29, 2011 12:37 UTC (Thu)
by wazoox (subscriber, #69624)
[Link] (1 responses)
Posted Sep 30, 2011 21:52 UTC (Fri)
by jond (subscriber, #37669)
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Posted Sep 29, 2011 14:24 UTC (Thu)
by SLi (subscriber, #53131)
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Posted Sep 29, 2011 15:40 UTC (Thu)
by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784)
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Posted Sep 30, 2011 4:21 UTC (Fri)
by ncm (guest, #165)
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Posted Sep 30, 2011 11:52 UTC (Fri)
by ovitters (guest, #27950)
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Or in brief: usually just not noticed by the person writing the release notes.
Btw: on some sites a lot of people do not even bother to read them. They just comment using on the summary made by the site, even if it is wrong. Ideally I'd like to see a ~3 minute video, but don't think there is time to do that.
Posted Sep 30, 2011 15:19 UTC (Fri)
by james (subscriber, #1325)
[Link] (7 responses)
Posted Oct 3, 2011 20:02 UTC (Mon)
by madscientist (subscriber, #16861)
[Link] (6 responses)
Personally, as someone who's normal desktop is dual monitors with a total size of 3840x1200 pixels, I really hate the idea of the single menu bar. What a PITA, to have to travel my mouse all that distance to hit the menu! So, my preferred way to solve the FFM issue would be to allow me to turn off the single menu bar in the first place, then it wouldn't be an issue.
Posted Oct 4, 2011 14:41 UTC (Tue)
by ebassi (subscriber, #54855)
[Link] (5 responses)
I think you're confusing GNOME with Unity. GNOME does not have a single menu bar.
Posted Oct 4, 2011 15:10 UTC (Tue)
by madscientist (subscriber, #16861)
[Link] (4 responses)
So then, what's the problem with FFM in Gnome 3? Why didn't it work/why does it need improvement?
Posted Oct 4, 2011 15:24 UTC (Tue)
by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239)
[Link] (1 responses)
Posted Oct 4, 2011 15:52 UTC (Tue)
by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
[Link]
And occasionally the highlight will be on one window while the keyboard input goes to another. This is not a big deal, just move the mouse. Apparently this is fixed in 3.2.
Overall, like you say, FFM in Gnome 3 works.
Posted Oct 4, 2011 15:26 UTC (Tue)
by corbet (editor, #1)
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Posted Oct 4, 2011 16:18 UTC (Tue)
by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
[Link]
No big deal, the app menu is not really used in 3.0.
Posted Sep 30, 2011 20:16 UTC (Fri)
by faassen (guest, #1676)
[Link]
Cool! I recently have started using Gnome 3 and I like it quite a bit -- I was pleased how cleverly thought out various aspects of the user interface are. I've never been a desktop power user though (I tend to be a feature minimalist), so to me the experience is a UI that makes the more advanced features easier to work with, so I'll actually use them more. I can see how someone who has become familiar with the advanced features of Gnome 2 might like it less, at least at first.
I am looking forward to trying out the new release.
Posted Oct 1, 2011 2:12 UTC (Sat)
by dskoll (subscriber, #1630)
[Link]
Wow, some heated comments on the thread. If you don't like the direction GNOME is taking, switch (I did quite a while ago.)
I switched to XFCE because it works the way I am used to. I really didn't (and still don't) want to change 20+ years of UNIX desktop habits.
GNOME developers will not listen to people who don't like GNOME 3.x, so you can't fix it from within the system... you need to break free.
Posted Oct 2, 2011 13:29 UTC (Sun)
by linusw (subscriber, #40300)
[Link]
By the way:
How many free desktop users does it take to change a lightbulb?
- 100. One smart technician to change it and 99 who complain that the old lightbulb was much better.
Posted Oct 4, 2011 9:51 UTC (Tue)
by karolbe (guest, #80529)
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And now, after Gnome 3 release, I switched to KDE (which is really good BTW!). I don't know (in person) anyone who would like Gnome 3 and the way it is evolving. I am pissed off on Gnome developers that they ruined such a great product to create something as unusable as Gnome 3. This is really sad example of wasting time and resources.
As I have converted to KDE 4.7 I am also thinking now on what to do with my parents' computer, they have Gnome 2.3 installed now but I am pretty sure that they will not like the new Gnome 3 (older people don't like changes, especially when they do not understand computers completely).
Posted Oct 4, 2011 10:01 UTC (Tue)
by whitemice (guest, #3748)
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I found 3.0 underwhelming [...]
I found GNOME 3 overwhelming, but in a bad way.
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Actually Laughing out loud on an LWN comment is rare nowadays. Thanks!
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It's because nobody "cares or wants to hear it" that things like this happen despite many experienced users not wanting the change. There seems to be a desire to lure in new users even at the expense of existing users.
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Yes, Linus and I are apparently both stupid. Neither of us can figure out how to use GNOME 3 with the same level of productivity we had with GNOME 2.
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I gave it a week before I gave up in disgust. It made everything I do more tedious. If it takes longer than that, I'll never acquire a taste for it. I maintain that I shouldn't *need* to acquire a taste for it.
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I first tried Gnome3 it felt like my smartphone which I like but not as much as a full desktop.
I tried LXDE spin but it was crashing just by changing the background, so I went back to the Gnome3 fallback mode.
I am using that everyday now, and I kind of am getting used to it.
I have not had time yet to try XFCE.
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http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=263733
http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=264530
http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=264331
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6637295.html?sid=8d1...
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/2011-May/...
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You might not have liked coming to the realization that was the position you were in, and have always been in, but its your choice. Luckily the licensing is such that you have that choice. If this were a proprietary desktop product, you wouldn't have the choice to maintain the older codebase for yourself.
Suppose Ford offered to upgrade your Mustang to have better engine performance at no cost to you. You drop it off at the dealership. When you return to pick it up, you discover that the steering wheel has been replaced by a joystick. They insist that a joystick is better and that many people like it. You say that you prefer a steering wheel, but they just say that you're in the minority, and that you "made a calculated decision to upgrade", so if you don't like it, it's your own fault.
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Bugs are bugs. Fedora does not make a zero regression promise, never has...and never will. There are bugs every single Fedora release that cause a hardware regression for someone, considering the complexity of the system you can't lay any particular hardware issues at the feet of Gnome 3 even if it appears to be the cause and the only thing affected.
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Certainly a win on my netbook
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> I use Windows as little as possible, but it appears that Windows 8 is also trying to make their UI drool-proof. If you make software drool-proof, only a drooler will want to use it.
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XFCE (was GNOME 3.2 released)
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If you care, you should read the release notes. If you don't care, your question seems pointless.
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Personally, as someone who's normal desktop is dual monitors with a total size of 3840x1200 pixels, I really hate the idea of the single menu bar. What a PITA, to have to travel my mouse all that distance to hit the menu! So, my preferred way to solve the FFM issue would be to allow me to turn off the single menu bar in the first place, then it wouldn't be an issue.
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I use FFM exclusively under GNOME 3. As far as I can tell, it works just fine; it's one thing that's not on my list of gripes.
Focus-follows-mouse
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Strong opinions
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