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Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part IXPoettering: systemd for Administrators, Part IXPosted Jul 20, 2011 7:11 UTC (Wed) by anselm (subscriber, #2796)In reply to: Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part IX by dlang Parent article: Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part IX
So far it seems that Lennart Poettering is out to cover all the bases. Systemd is still young software, but it offers a superset of SysV init's features already (by virtue of the fact that it can use existing init scripts), so it appears to be on the right track. Most of the criticism of systemd boils down to »It isn't what we're used to!«. If people have technical disagreements with Lennart, let them find technical arguments and hash them out. Lennart may be many things but he's apparently not stupid and neither are the people in charge of the various distributions who have expressed interest in adopting systemd. In the end we can only profit from his (and their) work if it leads to increased standardisation and more solved problems.
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Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part IX Posted Jul 20, 2011 10:48 UTC (Wed) by nye (guest, #51576) [Link]
>Most of the criticism of systemd boils down to »It isn't what we're used to!«
This casual dismissal of valid concerns with "you're just a has-been old greybeard" is a major problem with Lennart's projects.
>If people have technical disagreements with Lennart, let them find technical arguments and hash them out.
This has been done to death a thousand times, but so far as Lennart is concerned any disagreement with him is a priori cause to consider somebody's points invalid.
Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part IX Posted Jul 20, 2011 12:13 UTC (Wed) by zuki (subscriber, #41808) [Link] Almost quite right, but not exactly... You are replying to a four page essay on why /etc/default/ and /etc/sysconfig have outlived their usefulness. In there the current situation is described accurately, proposed changes are explained in detail, the advantages are made clear, there's even an implementation so we know that things indeed can work the new way. So, what is the technical issue with the proposed changes?
Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part IX Posted Jul 20, 2011 12:39 UTC (Wed) by nye (guest, #51576) [Link]
>You are replying to a four page essay on why /etc/default/ and /etc/sysconfig have outlived their usefulness
No, I'm replying to 'the criticism of systemd', as I quoted.
>So, what is the technical issue with the proposed changes?
For a recent example of constructive discussion with meaningful technical content, see the ongoing thread on debian-devel titled 'A few observations about systemd'.
Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part IX Posted Jul 20, 2011 12:46 UTC (Wed) by nye (guest, #51576) [Link]
>For a recent example of constructive discussion with meaningful technical content
Okay, that thread does seem to have degenerated since I last checked on it :(.
Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part IX Posted Jul 20, 2011 20:55 UTC (Wed) by tuna (guest, #44480) [Link]
Could you provide a link?
Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part IX Posted Jul 20, 2011 21:40 UTC (Wed) by zuki (subscriber, #41808) [Link]
I too think that the thread is fairly interesting, at least the first 100 messages...
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.general/...
Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part IX Posted Jul 31, 2011 1:08 UTC (Sun) by sbergman27 (guest, #10767) [Link]
"If people have technical disagreements with Lennart, let them find technical arguments and hash them out."
You mean like systemd's inherent deadlocking problem?
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