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How much GNU is there in GNU/Linux?How much GNU is there in GNU/Linux?Posted Jun 1, 2011 5:21 UTC (Wed) by tetromino (subscriber, #33846)In reply to: How much GNU is there in GNU/Linux? by mikankun Parent article: How much GNU is there in GNU/Linux?
> Remove the GNU C library and then report how much of that software runs.
FreeBSD seems to be doing an OK job running all of that software - well, other than systemd, of course - without glibc. (And without the Linux kernel too, one might add.)
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How much GNU is there in GNU/Linux? Posted Jun 1, 2011 5:39 UTC (Wed) by mikankun (guest, #74785) [Link]
I'm well aware but the article and my comment were about GNU/Linux and not BSD.
How much GNU is there in GNU/Linux? Posted Jun 1, 2011 5:58 UTC (Wed) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
well if you define the system as one that is built aroud GNU software you can easily say that it won' work without that software.
if however you define the system as one that runs the application software the users need, then you don't have justification for ignoring *BSD (or the various libc/compiler options)
How much GNU is there in GNU/Linux? Posted Jun 1, 2011 9:43 UTC (Wed) by Pawlerson (guest, #74136) [Link]
"if however you define the system as one that runs the application software the users need, then you don't have justification for ignoring *BSD (or the various libc/compiler options)"
If bsd doesn't do what he expects from the usable system, he has justification for ignoring it. It seems most people aren't pleased with bsd (hence Linux is far more popular) and while article is about GNU and Linux I recommend to stick to the topic.
How much GNU is there in GNU/Linux? Posted Jun 1, 2011 13:39 UTC (Wed) by hmh (subscriber, #3838) [Link]
The BSD userland is horrible IMO. The kernel, not so much. It lags behind Linux when it comes down to drivers, but for what it DOES support, it is sometimes superior.
So yes, Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is actually very nice. When it works with all your hardware.
And one would have to ask people to compare Debian GNU/kFreeBSD with straight FreeBSD to know whether they prefer the GNUish/Linuxish userland or the BSDish userland, and compare Debian GNU/Linux with Debian GNU/kFreeBSD to know whether they prefer the Linux or FreeBSD kernel.
PS: "GNU/" prefix added because that's how we call these ports officially in Debian.
How much GNU is there in GNU/Linux? Posted Jun 1, 2011 14:46 UTC (Wed) by Pawlerson (guest, #74136) [Link]
"The BSD userland is horrible IMO. The kernel, not so much. It lags behind Linux when it comes down to drivers, but for what it DOES support, it is sometimes superior."
I hope you didn't mean superior to Linux, because it lags behind in many other areas today. :)
"So yes, Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is actually very nice. When it works with all your hardware."
GNU userland makes a huge difference. I prefer to use APT rather than bsd ports. Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is much more appealing than FreeBSD and there's a much newer GCC, right?
How much GNU is there in GNU/Linux? Posted Jun 1, 2011 7:06 UTC (Wed) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link] FreeBSD seems to be doing an OK job running all of that software - well, other than systemd, of course - without glibc. Sorry, but this not really true. Most real FreeBSD systems include Linuxulator and glibc to run things like Acrobat Reader or Opera. And they use GLibC to do that. This succulently shows that right now, today, GLibC is more important then kernel. Recent developments make it less relevant, though: Android does not use GLibC and supports more interesting applications, then GNU/Linux, for example. If/when tablets and desktop converge it'll be interesting to see what happens.
How much GNU is there in GNU/Linux? Posted Jun 1, 2011 9:06 UTC (Wed) by danieldk (guest, #27876) [Link]
But then Acrobat Reader is not part of Debian either, and probably a lot of Debian users will never install it. The point is that you can provide much of the functionality of a standard open source desktop or server system without glibc or even gcc.
(By the way, Opera offers a native FreeBSD version.)
How much GNU is there in GNU/Linux? Posted Jun 1, 2011 9:08 UTC (Wed) by trasz (guest, #45786) [Link]
There is a native Opera for FreeBSD. I have no idea why someone would want to use Acrobat. Linuxulator is used mostly for Flash.
How much GNU is there in GNU/Linux? Posted Jun 3, 2011 14:56 UTC (Fri) by qubit (guest, #57802) [Link] This succulently shows that right now, today, GLibC is more important then kernel.This must be what they mean when they talk about the juicy details...
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