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FreeBSD seems to be doing an OK job running all of that software - well, other than systemd, of course - without glibc. (And without the Linux kernel too, one might add.)
How much GNU is there in GNU/Linux?
Posted Jun 1, 2011 5:39 UTC (Wed) by mikankun (guest, #74785)
Posted Jun 1, 2011 5:58 UTC (Wed) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313)
if however you define the system as one that runs the application software the users need, then you don't have justification for ignoring *BSD (or the various libc/compiler options)
Posted Jun 1, 2011 9:43 UTC (Wed) by Pawlerson (guest, #74136)
If bsd doesn't do what he expects from the usable system, he has justification for ignoring it. It seems most people aren't pleased with bsd (hence Linux is far more popular) and while article is about GNU and Linux I recommend to stick to the topic.
Posted Jun 1, 2011 13:39 UTC (Wed) by hmh (subscriber, #3838)
So yes, Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is actually very nice. When it works with all your hardware.
And one would have to ask people to compare Debian GNU/kFreeBSD with straight FreeBSD to know whether they prefer the GNUish/Linuxish userland or the BSDish userland, and compare Debian GNU/Linux with Debian GNU/kFreeBSD to know whether they prefer the Linux or FreeBSD kernel.
PS: "GNU/" prefix added because that's how we call these ports officially in Debian.
Posted Jun 1, 2011 14:46 UTC (Wed) by Pawlerson (guest, #74136)
I hope you didn't mean superior to Linux, because it lags behind in many other areas today. :)
"So yes, Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is actually very nice. When it works with all your hardware."
GNU userland makes a huge difference. I prefer to use APT rather than bsd ports. Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is much more appealing than FreeBSD and there's a much newer GCC, right?
Posted Jun 1, 2011 7:06 UTC (Wed) by khim (subscriber, #9252)
FreeBSD seems to be doing an OK job running all of that software - well, other than systemd, of course - without glibc.
Sorry, but this not really true. Most real FreeBSD systems include Linuxulator and glibc to run things like Acrobat Reader or Opera. And they use GLibC to do that.
This succulently shows that right now, today, GLibC is more important then kernel. Recent developments make it less relevant, though: Android does not use GLibC and supports more interesting applications, then GNU/Linux, for example. If/when tablets and desktop converge it'll be interesting to see what happens.
Posted Jun 1, 2011 9:06 UTC (Wed) by danieldk (guest, #27876)
(By the way, Opera offers a native FreeBSD version.)
Posted Jun 1, 2011 9:08 UTC (Wed) by trasz (guest, #45786)
Posted Jun 3, 2011 14:56 UTC (Fri) by qubit (guest, #57802)
This succulently shows that right now, today, GLibC is more important then kernel.
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