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Fedora 15 released

From:  "Jared K. Smith" <jsmith-AT-fedoraproject.org>
To:  announce-AT-lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject:  Announcing the release of Fedora 15 (Lovelock)
Date:  Tue, 24 May 2011 10:04:23 -0400
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Let the celebrations begin!  Fedora 15 is officially here!

Fedora is a leading edge, free and open source operating system that
continues to deliver innovative features to many users, with a new
release about every six months. We bring to you the latest and
greatest release of Fedora ever, Fedora 15! Join us and share the joy
of Free software and the community with friends and family.  We have
several major new features with special focus on desktops, developers,
virtualization, security and system administration.

=== What's new in Fedora 15 (Lovelock)? ===

==== For desktop users ====

A universe of new features for end users:

* GNOME 3 desktop environment -- GNOME 3 is the next generation of
GNOME with a brand new user interface. It provides a completely new
and modern desktop that has been designed for today's users and
technologies. Fedora 15 is the first major distribution to include
GNOME 3 by default.  GNOME 3 is being developed with extensive
upstream participation from Red Hat developers and Fedora volunteers,
and GNOME 3 is tightly integrated in Fedora 15. GNOME Shell, the new
user interface of GNOME 3, is polished, robust and extensible, and
several GNOME Shell extensions and the GNOME tweak tool are available
in the Fedora software repository.  Thanks to the Fedora desktop team
developers and community volunteers.

* Btrfs filesystem --  Btrfs, the next generation filesystem is being
developed with upstream participation of Red Hat developers, Oracle
and many others. Btrfs is now available as a menu item in the
installer (only for non-live images. live images support just Ext4)
and does not require passing a special option to the installer as in
the previous releases.  Btrfs availability has moved up a notch as a
incremental step towards the goal of Btrfs as the default filesystem
in the next release of Fedora.  The btrfsck program for performing
filesystem checks is under active development upstream with
participation from Fedora but the one included in this release is
still limited and hence users are highly recommended to maintain
backups when using this filesystem (backups are a good idea anyway!).
Thanks to Josef Bacik, Red Hat Btrfs developer, for his upstream
participation and integration of this feature in Fedora including a
yum plugin (yum-plugin-fs-snapshot) that enables users to rollback
updates if necessary, taking advantage of Btrfs snapshots.

* Indic typing booster -- Indic typing booster is a predictive input
method for the ibus platform. It suggests complete words based on
partial input, and users can simply select a word from the suggestion
list and improve their typing speed and accuracy. Thanks to the
development led by Pravin Satpute and Naveen Kumar, Red Hat I18N team
engineers in Pune, India.

* Better crash reporting -- ABRT, a crash reporting tool in Fedora,
can now perform a part of crash processing remotely, on a Fedora
Project server.  Remote coredump retracing avoids users having to
download a large amount of debug information and leads to better
quality reports. The retrace server can generate good backtraces with
a much higher success rate than local retracing.

* Redesigned SELinux troubleshooter -- SELinux troubleshooter is a
graphical tool that watches and analyses log files and automatically
provides solutions to common issues.   In this release, this tool has
been redesigned to be simpler but provide more solutions at the same
time.  Thanks to Dan Walsh, SELinux developer at Red Hat, for leading
the development of this functionality.

* Higher compression in live images --  Live images in this release
use XZ compression instead of gzip as in older releases, making them
smaller (about 10%) to download or providing more space for
applications to be made available by default.  Thanks to Bruno Wolff
III, Fedora community volunteer, for integrating this functionality in
Fedora Live CD tools.  Thanks to Phillip Lougher for his work on
squashfs and Lasse Collin for getting XZ squashfs support in the
upstream Linux kernel.

* Better power management -- Fedora 15 includes a redesigned and
better version of powertop and newer versions of tuned and pm-utils
for better power management.  The tuned package contains a daemon that
tunes system settings dynamically to balance between power consumption
and performance. It also performs various kernel tunings according to
selected profile. The new version of tuned brings several bug fixes,
improvements and profiles updates for better efficiency. Thanks to
Jaroslav ?karvada, Red Hat developer, for integrating the newer
powertop and pm-utils, as well as performing power measurement and
benchmarking. Thanks to Jan V?elák, Red Hat developer, for developing
tuned and integrating the newer version in this release.

* LibreOffice productivity suite --  LibreOffice is a community-driven
and developed free and open source personal productivity suite which
is a project of the not-for-profit organization, The Document
Foundation.  It is a fork of OpenOffice.org with a diverse community
of contributors including developers from Red Hat, Novell and many
volunteers.  OpenOffice.org has been replaced with LibreOffice in this
release.  Thanks to Caolán McNamara from Red Hat for his upstream
participation and for maintaining LibreOffice in Fedora.

* Firefox 4 web browser -- A new major version of this popular browser
from the Mozilla non-profit foundation is part of this release.
Firefox 4 features JavaScript execution speeds up to six times faster
than the previous version, new capabilities such as Firefox Sync,
native support for the patent unencumbered WebM multimedia format,
HTML5 technologies and a completely revised user interface. Thanks to
Christopher Aillon from Red Hat and others for integrating Firefox 4
in this release.

* KDE plasma workspaces 4.6 and Xfce 4.8 desktop environments --
Fedora 15 includes new major versions of these alternative desktop
environments.  Fedora also provides dedicated KDE Plasma Workspaces
and Xfce installable live images that include these desktop
environments by default. Thanks to Red Hat developers and other Fedora
community volunteers, part of KDE and Xfce special interest groups.

* Sugar .92 learning platform -- Sugar is a desktop environment
originally designed for the OLPC project which has now evolved into a
learning platform developed by the non-profit Sugar Labs foundation.
This version provides major usability improvements for the first login
screen and the control panel, as well as new features such as support
for 3G networks.  Thanks to Peter Robinson and Sebastian Dziallas,
Fedora community volunteers, for leading the integration of this
environment.

==== For developers ====

For developers there are all sorts of additional goodies:

* Robotics Suite -- Fedora 15 now includes the Robotics Suite, a
collection of packages that provides a usable out-of-the-box robotics
development and simulation environment. This ever-growing suite
features up-to-date robotics frameworks, simulation environments,
utility libraries, and device support, and consolidates them into an
easy-to-install package group. Refer to
https://rmattes.blogspot.com/2011/05/fedora-15-robotics-s... for
more details.  Thanks to Tim Niemueller and Rich Mattes,  Fedora
community volunteers for their participation.

* GCC 4.6 --  GCC 4.6 is the system default compiler in Fedora 15 and
all the relevant packages have been rebuilt in Fedora 15 using it.
Developers can realize compiled code improvements and use the newly
added features, such as improved C++0x support, support for the Go
language, REAL*16 support in Fortran and many other improvements.
Thanks to Jakub Jelinek from Red Hat for upstream participation and
leading the integration in Fedora.

* GDB 7.3 --  This new GDB release 7.3 together with Archer and Fedora
extensions improves the debugging experience on Fedora by making the
debugger more powerful. The majority of these features were written by
Red Hat engineers, thus benefiting all gdb users. New features for the
Fedora 15 release include support for breakpoints at SystemTap markers
(probes), support for using labels in the program's source, OpenCL
language debugging support,  thread debugging of core dumps and Python
scripting improvements.  Numerous important packages within Fedora are
pre-built with SystemTap static markers, and these can now be used as
the target for breakpoints in gdb.  Thanks to Jan Kratochvil and other
GDB developers from Red Hat for their upstream participation and
integration of this functionality.

* Programming language updates --  Python 3.2:  The system Python 3
stack has been upgraded to 3.2 (the system Python 2 stack remains at
2.7), bringing in hundreds of fixes and tweaks; for a list of changes
refer to https://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/3.2.html.  OCaml 3.12:
OCaml 3.12 is a major revision of the OCaml programming language, the
camlp4 macro language, libraries, and CDuce for XML processing. Rails
3.0.5:  Rails 3 is a large update to the Ruby on Rails web framework.
It brings many new features such as a polished routing API, new
activemailer and activerecord APIs, and many more new enhancements.
Thanks to Dave Malcolm, Richard W.M. Jones and Mo Morsi, Red Hat
developers leading the integration of the respective features in this
release.

* Maven 3 -- Maven 3.0 offers better stability and performance
compared to previous versions and a lot of work under the hood to
simplify writing Maven plugins and further improve performance by
building projects in parallel.  Refer to
https://maven.apache.org/docs/3.0/release-notes.html for more
information.   Fedora still provides maven2 package to support
backward compatibility where needed. Thanks to Red Hat developer,
Stanislav Ochotnický for the work in this feature.

==== For system administrators ====

And don't think we forgot the system administrators:

* systemd system and session manager --   systemd is a system and
session manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts.
systemd provides aggressive parallelization capabilities, uses socket
and D-Bus activation for starting services, offers on-demand starting
of daemons, keeps track of processes using Linux cgroups, supports
snapshotting and restoring of the system state, maintains mount and
automount points and implements a powerful transactional
dependency-based service control logic. It can work as a drop-in
replacement for sysvinit.  A related change is /var/run and /var/lock
are mounted from tmpfs and results in a simpler, more faster and
robust boot-up scheme and aligns to the default configuration of
several other distributions. Thanks to Lennart Poettering,  Rahul
Sundaram. Michal Schmidt, Bill Nottingham and others from Red Hat for
leading development and integration of systemd as the default init
system in this release and many Fedora community volunteers for their
extensive testing and feedback.

* Dynamic firewall -- Dynamic firewall makes it possible to change
firewall settings without the need to restart the firewall and  makes
persistent connections possible.  This is for example very useful for
services, that need to add additional firewall rules including
virtualization (libvirtd) and VPN(openvpn). With the static firewall
model these rules are lost if the firewall gets modified or restarted.
The firewall daemon (firewalld) holds the current configuration
internally and is able to modify the firewall without the need to
recreate the complete firewall configuration; it is also able to
restore the configuration in a service restart and reload case.
Another use case for the dynamic firewall mode is printer discovery.
For this the discovery program will be started locally that sends out
a broadcast message. It will most likely get an answer from an unknown
address (the new printer). This answer will be filtered by the
firewall, because the answer is not related to the broadcast and the
port of the program that was sending out the message is dynamic and
therefore a fixed rule can not be created for this.  It also has a
D-BUS interface to allow clients or services to request firewall
changes.  firewall-cmd (part of firewalld package) is a very simple
yet powerful user space alternative to the iptables command: for
instance,  firewall-cmd --enable --service=samba --timeout=10 opens
the appropriate ports for Samba for only ten seconds.  Since the
current implementation is a proof of concept, in this release, it is
available in the Fedora software repository but not installed by
default. The plan is to make it the default firewall solution in the
next release. Thanks to Thomas Woerner from Red Hat for developing
this feature.

* BoxGrinder appliance creator --  BoxGrinder is a set of free and
open source tools used for building appliances (images/virtual
machines) for various platforms (KVM, Xen, VMware, EC2).  BoxGrinder
creates appliances from simple plain text appliance definition files.
Thanks to Marek Goldmann and others from Red Hat for upstream
participation and bringing this feature into Fedora.

* Spice integration in Virt Manager --   With Fedora 15, virt-manager
has been updated to support Spice, the complete open source solution
for interaction with virtualized desktops.  It is now possible to
create a virtual machine with Spice support without touching the
command line, easily taking advantage of all the Spice enhancements
directly from virt-manager.  Spice provides better performance and
additional functionality (such as copy/paste between guest and host)
compared to using VNC.  Thanks to the spice-gtk library, a new client
can be developed in Python or C, or with gobject-introspection
bindings.  Thanks to Marc-André Lureau,  Red Hat developer, for
leading development of this feature.

* Consistent network device naming --  Servers often have multiple
Ethernet ports, either embedded on the motherboard, or on add-in PCI
cards. Linux has traditionally named these ports ethX, but there has
been no correlation of the ethX names to the chassis labels - the ethX
names are non-deterministic. Starting in Fedora 15, Ethernet ports
will have a new naming scheme corresponding to physical locations,
rather than ethX.  By changing the naming convention, system
administrators will no longer have to guess at the ethX to physical
port mapping, or invoke workarounds on each system to rename them into
some "sane" order. This feature is enabled on all physical systems
that expose network port naming information in SMBIOS 2.6 or later.
Thanks to Jordan Hargrave, Matt Domsch and several other engineers
from Dell for their long term upstream participation and collaboration
with Fedora in integration of this feature.

* Setuid removal --  Fedora 15 removes setuid in several applications
and instead specifically assigns the capabilities required by each
application to improve security by reducing the impact of any
potential vulnerabilities in these applications.  Thanks to Daniel
Walsh from Red Hat for leading the integration of this feature.

*  Improved support for encrypted home directory --  Fedora 15 brings
in improved support for eCryptfs, a stacked cryptographic filesystem
for Linux. Starting from Fedora 15, authconfig can be used to
automatically mount a private encrypted part of the home directory
when a user logs in.  Thanks to Paolo Bonzini from Red Hat for
integration of this feature.

* RPM 4.9.0 package manager -- RPM 4.9.0 brings a number of immediate
benefits to Fedora including the pluggable dependency generator,
built-in filtering of generated dependencies, additional package
ordering hinting mechanism, performance improvements and many
bugfixes.  More details at  https://rpm.org/wiki/Releases/4.9.0,
Thanks to Panu Matilainen from Red Hat and other RPM developers for
their participation and help in integration of this feature in this
release.

* Tryton ERP system --  Tryton is a three-tier general-purpose
application platform and basis for an ERP (Enterprise Resource
Planning) system.  Currently, the main modules available for Tryton
cover accounting, invoicing, sale management, purchase management,
analytic accounting and inventory management   Thanks to Dan Horák,
Fedora community volunteer for integration of this feature.

And that's only the beginning.  A more complete list with details of
all the new features on board Fedora 15 is available at:

* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/15/FeatureList?anF15

== Download and upgrading ==

OK, go get it.  You know you can't wait.

* https://get.fedoraproject.org/?anF15

If you are upgrading from a previous release of Fedora, refer to

* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading?anF15

For a quick tour of features in Fedora 15 and pictures of many friends
of Fedora, check out our "short-form" release notes:

* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_one_page_release_notes...

Fedora 15 full release and technical notes and guides for several
languages are available at:

* https://docs.fedoraproject.org/?anF15

Fedora 15 common bugs are documented at:

* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F15_bugs?anF15

=== Fedora spins ===

Fedora spins are alternate versions of Fedora tailored for various
types of users via hand-picked application set or customizations.
Fedora spins include those providing alternative desktop environments
like KDE, Xfce and LXDE by default but also more specialized ones such
as Fedora Security Lab, Fedora Electronics Lab and Fedora Design
Suite.  More information on these spins and much more is available at

* https://spins.fedoraproject.org/?anF15

== Looking forward to Fedora 16 (Verne) ==

Our next release, Fedora 16 codename is named after and to honor,
Jules Verne.  Jules Verne is considered a father of science-fiction.
He was a science-fiction writer and futurist, best known for novels
such as "Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea".  More information at

* https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Jules_Verne

Fedora's awesome design team is already busy at work creating artwork
based on this concept and you are welcome to join the team

*
https://mairin.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/design-team-image...

Even as we continue to provide updates with enhancements and bug fixes
to improve the Fedora 15 experience, our next release, Fedora 16, is
already being developed in parallel, and has been open for active
development for several months already. We have an early schedule for
an end of Oct 2011 release:

* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/16/Schedule?anF15

Features planned for Fedora 16 include the default use of Btrfs as the
next generation filesystem, GRUB 2 bootloader by default, further
enhancements to systemd system and session manager, dynamic firewall
by default and much much more.  Watch the feature list page for
updates.

* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/16/FeatureList?anF15

Join us today and help improve free and open source software and lead
the future of Linux.

== We need your help! ==

Our rapid release cycle and innovative features are a direct result of
development of thousands of upstream projects and collaboration by a
large distributed and diverse community with many volunteers and
organizations across the globe, participating in the free and open
source software community and within Fedora. Fedora strives to bring
these thousands of upstream projects together and serves as a
integration point for them and for our users and contributors.  Red
Hat, the leading provider of open source solutions is a partner in our
community and major sponsor of the Fedora project. To continue to
advance and bring you the best of free software quickly and robustly.
we are always looking for more people to join us in the Fedora
community. You don't have to be a dazzling software programmer to
participate and join us in developing Fedora although if you are one,
you are welcome too! There are many ways to contribute beyond
programming. You can report bugs, help translate software and content,
test and give feedback on software updates, write and edit
documentation, design and do artwork, perform system administration on
our infrastructure, help with all sorts of promotional activities, and
package free software for use by millions of Fedora users worldwide
and more. Whether you are a Linux kernel hacker or just a newcomer,
there is always something for everyone to pitch in.

To get started, visit https://join.fedoraproject.org today!

== Contact information ==

If you are a journalist or reporter, you can find additional information at:

* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Press?anF15
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Fedora 15 released

Posted May 24, 2011 18:43 UTC (Tue) by halfline (guest, #31920) [Link]

Yay :-) Congrats everyone who worked on it. This release features some great stuff.

F15: Haskell also updated

Posted May 25, 2011 1:08 UTC (Wed) by juhp (guest, #75155) [Link]

Under:

==== For developers ====
* Programming language updates

Haskell ghc has been updated to the new major version 7.0.2
with many new features and performance improvements
and haskell-platform to 2011.2.

F15: Haskell also updated

Posted May 25, 2011 1:49 UTC (Wed) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

Sorry for missing this but this is the reason why it should be ideally in the feature list. It is otherwise impossible to catch all the changes

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 25, 2011 3:09 UTC (Wed) by Hausvib6 (guest, #70606) [Link]

Since F15 is using systemd by default, this is monumental in the systemd deployment. The first deployment of systemd in a major distro.

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 25, 2011 6:04 UTC (Wed) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]

Gnome 3 doesn't work at all on my brand new Thinkpad X120e (bugs filed and largely ignored) so I've become a happy XFCE user. It's as easy as yum install @xfce-desktop.

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 25, 2011 14:24 UTC (Wed) by utoddl (subscriber, #1232) [Link]

Your comment got me to try xfce, and I was pleased to see that the configuration options I was missing were available.

GNOME 3 doesn't work on any of the machines I have access to; I have a lot of older hardware. [sigh] I was rather looking forward to seeing what this "GNOME Shell" was all about.

On a couple of boxes I couldn't get Fedora 15's X to start at all unless I first renamed all files with "nouveau" in the name to "nouveau-x". (There's probably a better less dirty way to disable nouveau). The live CD couldn't start either, likely for the same nouveau problem.

If you just take the packages on the live CD and can't run the GNOME Shell, you get a pretty Spartan user experience. I think I'll stick with Fedora 13 until the pendulum swings back toward actual usefulness. Too bad, as there seems to be a lot of good systems work happening underneath. If only the UI were bearable. This is the most disappointing Fedora release for me to date.

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 25, 2011 15:13 UTC (Wed) by proski (subscriber, #104) [Link]

Likewise, I switched to LXDE, and I'm happy. I used alacarte to add my favorite applications to the menu. The mixer manager and keyboard layout switcher are not good for my needs, but I enabled the GNOME versions of them using Preferences->Desktop Session Settings. If only the fat GNOME mixer icon didn't look so out of place on the LXDE panel! Unfortunately, Openbox doesn't seem to be capable of drawing borders on the left and right sides, but I'm getting used to it.

The most annoying thing in GNOME Shell is that if I select xterm in Activites, I get the already open window. I have to right-click and choose "new window". Apparently GNOME 3 is for nitwits who cannot handle more that one terminal at once!

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 25, 2011 15:19 UTC (Wed) by AdamW (guest, #48457) [Link]

GNOME does have its own terminal emulator, which has an 'Open Terminal' entry in its file menu and a keyboard shortcut: ctrl-alt-N.

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 25, 2011 15:21 UTC (Wed) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link]

...which is way cool if you already have an open terminal in the workspace you're using at the time. Otherwise you have to go through the whole dance. I'm still not at all clear on why it's thought to be better than just having a nice launcher button.

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 25, 2011 20:04 UTC (Wed) by mezcalero (guest, #45103) [Link]

You can press ctrl while clicking on the terminal icon and you get multiple instances.

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 27, 2011 2:24 UTC (Fri) by Hausvib6 (guest, #70606) [Link]

That's similar to Windows 7 taskbar.

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 25, 2011 8:00 UTC (Wed) by kragil (subscriber, #34373) [Link]

There is a lot of light in this release, but there is also a lot of darkness. Fedora doesn't really question some insane upstream defaults (like two finger tap = right click on tiny netbooks. Ubuntu does that A LOT better ,sane default= middle click. And Fedora/Gnome3 also seems to make it very hard to switch and the Gnome3 "designers" seems very happy with their defaults that only really make sense on a few MacBooks. Shouldn't smolt give an indication on how many Macbooks Fedora gets installed in comparison to regular Note-/Netbooks?)
And I thought my Pulseaudio trouble were long gone, but playing Xvids I randomly get some pa_fork or something error and I have to restart the video (that I still have to report, but it might be a RPM-Fusion bug).

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 25, 2011 16:53 UTC (Wed) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]

All the Windows and Mac computers that I've used have all had two-finger tap is right click. Why do you say it should be middle click?

Agreed about PulseAudio. With every Fedora and Ubuntu release I think "now I can finally stop having to killall -9 pulseaudio" all the time. A few hours later audio stuttering and CPU consumption show up and it's time to restart everything. At least browsers maintain their tabs nowadays.

It would seem that PA has reached a plateau. A rather low plateau.

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 25, 2011 22:01 UTC (Wed) by kragil (subscriber, #34373) [Link]

I personally haven't encountered a Windows PC with two finger tap = right click. Maybe PC OEMs nowadays try emulate even the bad Apple stuff.

My EeePC 901 came with XP and had two finger tap = middle click, which makes sense because the thing has a freakin right mouse button right there under the touchpad and how many times do you have to press that?
I for one have to press it a 100 times less than I usally press the middle mouse button. I open links in a serperate tab and close tabs with middle click all day on my _NET_book, that probably also the reason my all the Windows PCs I have encountered and Ubuntu are configured the right way (IMO) not this totally insane Apple fanboy way.

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 25, 2011 22:42 UTC (Wed) by dashesy (subscriber, #74652) [Link]

Are all GUI designers graduated with MAC books? XFCE should now probably advertise "The last resort for programmers"

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 26, 2011 1:55 UTC (Thu) by foo-bar (guest, #22971) [Link]

Well, I upgraded to F15... Because I wanted gcc-4.6, firefox-4, because I liked some other advertised features and ... because for a very long time it has been an axiom that each new Fedora is just better than the previous one))

Yes, Fedora has always been cool. It used to be risky and innovative (remember the 1st distro to use glibc ?), but all the risky decisions appeared to be the_right_thing (C). No stupid legacy, right ? After all it just worked.

And I particularly liked RedHat's commitment to Gnome. After some initial messy period Gnome became nice, _simple_ and convenient. Perhaps not that fancy as recent iterations of MacOS X, but not really that far from it. And IMHO better than e.g. Win7. Gnome became something that just_works.

I don't care about never ending speculations about "technical people", "average Joe" and bla-bla-bla. What I know is a simple fact: with recent Fedora releases, all the girls that slept with me happily used my computer in the mornings without asking a single question. Even though I run en-US Fedora and most of them were not exactly good in the language. Because gnome2 was just intuitive and simple. Windows girls were likely to say "unusual but pretty easy an nice". Mac girls were about "not that cool as my computer but pretty much same thing but simpler".

Now back to the original topic -- I "upgraded" to F15...(( Yes, I heard about gnome-shell before... Yes, I knew it's pain... (I don't even mention that I just faied to type proper m-dash a second ago). But I was used to the fact RedHat is very reasonable company, so I assumed that F15 will somehow do it right.

Well... something happened to my beloved RH :-(.

Believe me or not I somehow got used to the fucking gnome-shell -- it kinda works for me ... it's just I now need 6 mouse clicks instead of 2 to get the same thing done, but you know, I remember OpenVMS and OpenWindows, so it's not a big deal for me... Yes, of course I'll boot Windows for the girl tomorrow -- a 4 years worth regress, but who cares, right ? In fact there are some bright ideas in gnome-shell (10% of overall ideas though).

As I said, I'm not that bad with gnome-shell, dual booting Windows for the girls is not the end of life.

But there is one thing that really troubles me. We are now psychologically very dependent on the gadgets/GUIs/car_designs helping us. And therefore we're very dependent on people making all this stuff. And the problem is that with F15/gnome3 we're starting to be depending on a group of mentally-sick people.

Please don't tell me that I should not offend anybody, that I should provide arguments, etc. Of course generally it's right, but the experience eith gnome-shell-3 is a clear exception.
I've never been into BDSM, but I always thought that it's ok if somebody likes it -- just a little sexy fantasy. (Once I even went to a sex shop to buy a B-day present to a girl that I suspected was into S-M (BTW she liked it a lot:-)). But after my experience with F15/gnome-shell I am very convinced that BDSM is a vaey dangerous mental deviation than can affect millions of innocent computer users(((

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 26, 2011 4:53 UTC (Thu) by jonabbey (subscriber, #2736) [Link]

I've gotten rather used to Gnome Shell after a month of running Fedora 15 beta and after.

The biggest hassle I have now is that hitting the left-Windows key on my other systems doesn't bring up the Activity view like it should.

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 26, 2011 9:25 UTC (Thu) by foo-bar (guest, #22971) [Link]

I think I'll also get used to it ... within a month))
I already figured out the magic Windows key...

But I still hate that some cracked nuts can intrude into our lives with their sadistic fantasies ((

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 26, 2011 20:54 UTC (Thu) by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458) [Link]

For me (running Fedora rawhide) Gnome shell wouldn't work for a variety of reasons, so I used XFCE. After checking back some two months ago it did work fine, and after a week or so I got along with it, after some two weeks (and a peek at the cheat sheet) I'm fully at home in it. In some senses it does feel more natural than Gnome 2 did, but sometimes I still miss some features.

Disclaimer: I'm the kind of people who love GUIs, because otherwise having a dozen text-based applications at hand would be rather unwildely (even with screen(1))

glibc

Posted May 26, 2011 8:35 UTC (Thu) by coriordan (guest, #7544) [Link]

> remember the 1st distro to use glibc ?

Back in 1992? Yggdrasil? SLS?

Or did you mean that Fedora was the first to *move back to* glibc, from the Linux libc fork?

(History of the fork: http://blogs.fsfe.org/ciaran/?p=85 )

glibc

Posted May 26, 2011 9:27 UTC (Thu) by foo-bar (guest, #22971) [Link]

Yes, I meant returning to glibc 2.0

glibc

Posted May 26, 2011 9:29 UTC (Thu) by foo-bar (guest, #22971) [Link]

... = switching to glibc 2.0 from libc5.

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 26, 2011 12:28 UTC (Thu) by rmattes (subscriber, #66697) [Link]

Hmm, it looks like google doesn't support https connections to blogger. You can visit http://rmattes.blogspot.com/2011/05/fedora-15-robotics-su... for more info on the robotics suite.

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 26, 2011 15:15 UTC (Thu) by charris (subscriber, #13263) [Link]

Gosh, the cpu fan is going wild, what the... Ah, the scheduled backup has decided to generate thousands of useless encrypted files that it wants to send off to Amazon, what's up with that? The perils of upgrading, I suppose.

The Fedora 15/Gnome Shell is sort of usable, sort of klutzy, sort of glitched with the fglrx driver. Bootup takes forever because the system can't enumerate all the usb ports. The windows are Spartan and, for all the missing buttons, are dominated by vast tundras of barren gray. The menu bar is mostly wasted space. The compiz/classic fall back isn't as good as the original.

That said, I really like the look of the rest of the shell and the graphics are the wave of the future, and a long time coming. But at the moment the shell is probably more suitable for a tablet than the more expansive real estate of a desktop. Nice place to visit, but I'm not convinced I want to live there.

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 26, 2011 22:27 UTC (Thu) by cbcbcb (guest, #10350) [Link]

Agreed, some of the tech is cool, but until I can have a pager in the menu bar, focus follows mouse, and custom application launchers, I can't use it. A bit of googling and asking on IRC doesn't give any indication of what GNOME plan to do about the missing features. I do get the impression that they've decided the desktop is better without.

I'm going to skip Fedora 15, hopefully F16 will have a usable desktop.

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 27, 2011 0:06 UTC (Fri) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

All of these are already available, gsettings for focus follows mouse. Extensions (http://intgat.tigress.co.uk/rmy/extensions/index.html) for rest or fallback or alternative desktop environments.

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 29, 2011 17:00 UTC (Sun) by walovaton (guest, #57287) [Link]

Hello Raul, can you please tell what is the gsettings for focus follows mouse? I really need this one and I can't find it.

Thanks.

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 29, 2011 18:21 UTC (Sun) by khc (subscriber, #45209) [Link]

I am not Raul and I don't know off hand what is the gsettings for focus follow mouse. But if you had it GNOME2 set to do focus follow mouse (or probably more correctly, sloppy focus), after the upgrade it retains the setting.

Fedora 15 released

Posted May 29, 2011 19:57 UTC (Sun) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

set the key /apps/metacity/general/focus_mode to either "sloppy" or "mouse"

Fedora 15 released

Posted Jun 1, 2011 4:59 UTC (Wed) by zooko (subscriber, #2589) [Link]

What's this encrypted backup to Amazon thing of which you speak?

Fedora 15 released

Posted Jun 1, 2011 5:45 UTC (Wed) by gregkh (subscriber, #8) [Link]

Are you thinking of tarsnap?

Fedora 15 released

Posted Jun 1, 2011 5:54 UTC (Wed) by charris (subscriber, #13263) [Link]

Deja-dup wanted to backup to Amazon S3. I'm glad you asked, because I just checked what the default is and, magically, it is back to Amazon. If this keeps up I'll have to nuke it.

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