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The 2.6.39 kernel is outThe 2.6.39 kernel is outPosted May 19, 2011 21:32 UTC (Thu) by leifbk (subscriber, #35665)In reply to: The 2.6.39 kernel is out by rfunk Parent article: The 2.6.39 kernel is out
Immediately after my last post, I had to leave for a meeting. Yes, of course, this most certainly is an ATI mess-up. The removal of the BKL shouldn't have come as a surprise to the ATI devs. I'm on Gentoo, and I've been running unstable kernels and ATI drivers for a while. Trying to compile ati-drivers against 2.6.39, it just bombs out with this message: * Please enable the Big Kernel Lock: * Kernel hacking ---> * [*] Big Kernel Lock * in the kernel config. * or add * CONFIG_BKL=y * in /usr/src/linux/.config I've been using ATI cards since 1989, and I'm sick and tired of it. After buying a laptop with NVidia that just works, I know what my next graphics card for the workstation will be. I'll probably order one tomorrow.
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The 2.6.39 kernel is out Posted May 19, 2011 21:39 UTC (Thu) by rfunk (subscriber, #4054) [Link]
Personally I buy either Intel or ATI, always making sure that what I buy is supported by the open-source drivers. No NVidia for me.
The 2.6.39 kernel is out Posted May 19, 2011 21:47 UTC (Thu) by leifbk (subscriber, #35665) [Link]
I don't want to turn this into a discussion about proprietary vs open-source drivers, but a driver that doesn't manage to play Flash videos in full-screen mode on a top-of-the-line card is broken in my opinion.
Obligatory Posted May 20, 2011 1:15 UTC (Fri) by cesarb (subscriber, #6266) [Link]
> Flash videos in full-screen mode
Since you mentioned that, I have no choice but to post this link:
Obligatory Posted May 20, 2011 2:57 UTC (Fri) by Trelane (subscriber, #56877) [Link]
I dislike that particular comic, but you have a great point in bringing it up. The same flaw in the argument the comic is implicitly trying to make is also present in the parent's argument.
The 2.6.39 kernel is out Posted May 20, 2011 5:53 UTC (Fri) by niner (subscriber, #26151) [Link]
I can play Flash videos in full-screen mode (2560x1600) without problems on my Radeon HD 5670 using the free r600g driver.
The 2.6.39 kernel is out Posted May 19, 2011 21:51 UTC (Thu) by job (guest, #670) [Link]
There is no 3D support for Nvidia, unless you put yourself in the same situation with proprietary drivers again. The day Nvidia decides to stop supporting your hardware a few years from now you can never upgrade your system again.
Not good. If you're shopping for a laptop, go with Intel graphics. It's supposed to be much improved with Sandy Bridge anyway. The newest AMD/ATI chips are said to get decent free drivers some say, but I wouldn't take that chance right now.
The 2.6.39 kernel is out Posted May 19, 2011 21:57 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
There is 3D support for Nvidia via the Nouveau driver by default in Fedora 15 but yes, it is better to support vendors who provide open source support themselves instead of relying on a community to reverse engineer and figure out things independently.
The 2.6.39 kernel is out Posted May 20, 2011 0:49 UTC (Fri) by tetromino (subscriber, #33846) [Link] >There is no 3D support for Nvidia, unless you put yourself in the same situation with proprietary drivers again. The day Nvidia decides to stop supporting your hardware a few years from now you can never upgrade your system again.True, when using any proprietary driver, you run the risk of the vendor refusing to support your hardware at some point down the road. However, judging by past performance, Nvidia is reasonably good at keeping up with kernel and X API changes, and by the time the binary driver drops support for your video card, it's likely to be many years obsolete (Nvidia's current Linux driver still supports the GeForce FX series, released 8 years ago). > If you're shopping for a laptop, go with Intel graphics. It's supposed to be much improved with Sandy Bridge anyway.Bad advice. By all accounts, Sandy Bridge is rather unstable under Linux, and is thoroughly broken in 2.6.39.
The 2.6.39 kernel is out Posted May 20, 2011 1:18 UTC (Fri) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
umm, did you miss the problems a few years ago when major distros were delaying updates to x.org because nvidia hadn't updated their drivers?
right now we have a situation where the AMD drivers don't work with a kernel released about 24 hours ago
wait and see how quickly (or slowly) the drivers get fixed before you start getting upset.
The 2.6.39 kernel is out Posted May 20, 2011 17:12 UTC (Fri) by luto (subscriber, #39314) [Link]
>> If you're shopping for a laptop, go with Intel graphics. It's supposed to be much improved with Sandy Bridge anyway.
> Bad advice. By all accounts, Sandy Bridge is rather unstable under Linux, and is thoroughly broken in 2.6.39.
Victory! :(
It's my change that "thoroughly" broke it in 2.6.39, because without it my system (which was perfectly stable on 2.6.38) hangs immediately upon starting Gnome.
I imagine that this stuff will be fixed in a -stable release soon.
Also, if you're using Sandy Bridge, try installing more up-to-date x86-video-intel. Just build from -git and put this in xorg.conf:
Section "Files"
The 2.6.39 kernel is out Posted May 19, 2011 22:21 UTC (Thu) by Hausvib6 (guest, #70606) [Link]
Let's hope this will force AMD to just open their driver and fully support it, no more proprietary driver, just the free/open one like what Intel do.
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