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HP: 10 Reasons for Geeks to Love HP webOS
HP has posted a
page promoting WebOS for developers. "We have an awesome
independent developer community in webOS Internals that does things like
replacement kernels, new system services, and overclocking tools. Our
community produces innovations that have made their way into later webOS
releases; for example, we liked the page cache compression work that they
did to improve webOS 1.4.5 so much that we made it part of our standard
Linux kernels on webOS 2.0. HP hasn't tried to stop or silence these
groups; instead we work with them when possible and even give them hardware
to help with their explorations."
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HP: 10 Reasons for Geeks to Love HP webOS Posted May 12, 2011 16:08 UTC (Thu) by rillian (subscriber, #11344) [Link] I have some sympathy for this. WebOS has always been a real linux system underneath the gui, and has been unofficially open to hacking from the beginning. It's nice to see HP supporting this more publicly, and taking positive steps like removing the registration wall Palm had in front of the SDK and documentation. The framework isn't open source like with Maemo and Meego, but with Nokia's change of direction, WebOS is looking like the most friendly phone option for hackers. Now, if I could just walk into my local HP store and buy an unlocked handset...
HP: 10 Reasons for Geeks to Love HP webOS Posted May 12, 2011 17:05 UTC (Thu) by xxiao (subscriber, #9631) [Link]
let's wait until you can "git clone webos && make", and Andy Rubin promises he will not jump to HP then announce that convenience was just a joke.
HP: 10 Reasons for Geeks to Love HP webOS Posted May 12, 2011 17:46 UTC (Thu) by intgr (subscriber, #39733) [Link]
> The framework isn't open source like with Maemo and Meego, but with Nokia's change of direction [...]
This is not entirely fair, Intel is still committed to MeeGo's openness. That's the point of "open", it stays open even after a major player loses interest.
HP: 10 Reasons for Geeks to Love HP webOS Posted May 12, 2011 22:26 UTC (Thu) by gidoca (subscriber, #62438) [Link]
True, but they're not going to produce handsets, so it's not a "phone option".
HP: 10 Reasons for Geeks to Love HP webOS Posted May 13, 2011 5:53 UTC (Fri) by tajyrink (subscriber, #2750) [Link]
They are, and will. Where did you get the news they wouldn't? Of course it's now not on the schedule it would have been if Nokia wouldn't have jumped off (although, well, their schedules haven't looked too good either...). The new MeeGo handset players LG, ZTE, Panasonic, Huawei will take their time to see what they'll bring to the market, and to mature the platform for their needs, and to develop the UX they want. That said, since there is a paid team working on MeeGo port for Nokia N900, I'd guess the (one) Nokia MeeGo device coming to sale later this year will have a proper, fully open MeeGo.com port as well.
I think I also saw the news somewhere that Intel would be planning their own handset as well. It was probably just a rumor mill, though.
And of course you can get MeeGo running also on http://www.gta04.org/ if you want and you do not need to be in the mainstream posse :)
That said, I do like WebOS more than Android simply because they haven't thrown everything above Linux kernel above. At least GStreamer and Pulseaudio et cetera are community projects. Palm Pre & Pre 2 also have at least initial modem support in FSO: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Hardware
HP: 10 Reasons for Geeks to Love HP webOS Posted May 16, 2011 17:08 UTC (Mon) by blitzkrieg3 (subscriber, #57873) [Link]
> That said, since there is a paid team working on MeeGo port for Nokia N900, I'd guess the (one) Nokia MeeGo device coming to sale later this year will have a proper, fully open MeeGo.com port as well.
I haven't heard this. Where can you follow their updates and learn of betas or release? Or help out, even.
HP: 10 Reasons for Geeks to Love HP webOS Posted May 28, 2011 13:43 UTC (Sat) by Jan_Zerebecki (guest, #70319) [Link]
HP: 10 Reasons for Geeks to Love HP webOS Posted May 19, 2011 15:28 UTC (Thu) by stevem (subscriber, #1512) [Link]
It's funny to see how Intel failed with Meego. Nice call: if you're going to try to get your CPUs into phones, then it makes a lot of sense to go talk to the biggest-selling phone vendor and buy into^W^Wwork with them.
Then Nokia decide they don't want to stay bought, and sell out to somebody else instead.
Oops.
HP: 10 Reasons for Geeks to Love HP webOS Posted May 12, 2011 18:03 UTC (Thu) by martinfick (subscriber, #4455) [Link]
> The framework isn't open source like with Maemo and Meego, but with Nokia's change of direction, WebOS is looking like the most friendly phone option for hackers.
I can't see how yo could come to that conclusion. I applaud HP's moves in the right direction, but without open source, it is hardly friendly.
On the other hand, despite the complaints about the honeycomb fork and many android phones being locked, I suspect that the number of open source and hacker friendly (non tivoized) android devices is way beyond the HP non-tivoized devices. Even just yesterday LWN posted an article about ST Ericsson making their phones non tivoized. On what basis are you declaring WebOS hacker friendly?
HP: 10 Reasons for Geeks to Love HP webOS Posted May 12, 2011 19:20 UTC (Thu) by Lennie (subscriber, #49641) [Link]
I just keep wondering why they had this conference 2 months ago and then still no products released yet.
HP: 10 Reasons for Geeks to Love HP webOS Posted May 12, 2011 17:42 UTC (Thu) by pointwood (guest, #2814) [Link]
Now they just need to make a smartphone I want to buy. Where's the thin model without a physical keyboard?
Cross-development from Linux not really supported Posted May 12, 2011 17:57 UTC (Thu) by endecotp (guest, #36428) [Link]
Yes, WebOS is in many ways more like "real" Linux than Android is, for example.
But on the other hand, their "PDK" toolkit (for C/C++ apps) only runs on Windows and Macs. Apparently it can be made to run on Linux and there are 3rd-party sites that tell you how to do this, but HP provides only Windows and Mac downloads. I think that says something about their priorities, and they might like to fix it if they want more e.g. LWN readers to be interested in their platform.
Cross-development from Linux not really supported Posted May 12, 2011 18:10 UTC (Thu) by kripkenstein (subscriber, #43281) [Link]
Yes, this right here is the reason I am not porting C++ code to WebOS right now.
Still no collaboration with OpenEmbedded or Yocto Posted May 12, 2011 19:39 UTC (Thu) by thebohemian (guest, #38715) [Link]
webOS is derived from OpenEmbedded. However there is no collaboration going on between the two projects. I find this a bad situation and hope that we can reach someone at HP to join forces, exchange patches etc.
HP: 10 Reasons for Geeks to Love HP webOS Posted May 12, 2011 21:46 UTC (Thu) by hitmark (guest, #34609) [Link]
Hey HP, any chance for a Ipaq 210 with a ARM Cortex cpu and Webos?
HP: 10 Reasons for Geeks to Love HP webOS Posted May 13, 2011 15:08 UTC (Fri) by dps (subscriber, #5725) [Link]
What they don't talk about is a soft phone---as a developer I would want a simulation which provides me better debugging and can't be bricked before testing by debugged version on real hardware.
On the phone front what I want, and have, is a phone. It does basic text messages and telephone calls and I think it has a FM radio feature, which I have not used---if I want to listen to radio then I use a radio.
HP: 10 Reasons for Geeks to Love HP webOS Posted May 14, 2011 5:40 UTC (Sat) by cpeterso (guest, #305) [Link]
Palm has a webOS emulator for Linux, Mac, and Windows (though it seems to run x86 binaries instead of running real ARM binaries on a simulated ARM processor like Android's emulator).
https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/tools/em...
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