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Groklaw shutting down in MayGroklaw shutting down in MayPosted Apr 10, 2011 22:06 UTC (Sun) by endecotp (guest, #36428)In reply to: Groklaw shutting down in May by spaetz Parent article: Groklaw shutting down in May
> Why do you need to meet someone in order to make use of the
> information and analyses they provide? > You don't listen to the CNN or BBC because you don't know the > real name of the news editor?
There is a bit of a difference between large entities like broadcasters and newspapers, where the reputation of the entity as a whole lends some value (or not) to the individual articles, and a website that appears from nowhere and seems to deliberately make it difficult to establish who is behind it and what their prior reputation might have been.
> This is an argument that I find a bit hard to believe. If an article
"Well written" can mean spelled correctly, factually correct, etc; for those attributes it's not necessary to know who wrote it. But the important issues with stories like SCO is "am I being told everything?", "do others have another interpretation of that?", etc. To be able to judge that sort of thing, we can look at the author's background and try to get a first-hand impression of what sort of person they are.
Just look at all the posts on LWN where people ask, "Dear Florian, please tell us who pays you so that I can decide whether to believe what you have written on your blog." I think that's a legitimate question to ask, and I also ask it of Groklaw.
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Groklaw shutting down in May Posted Apr 11, 2011 0:59 UTC (Mon) by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458) [Link] There is a bit of a difference between large entities like broadcasters and newspapers, where the reputation of the entity as a whole lends some value (or not) to the individual articles, and a website that appears from nowhere and seems to deliberately make it difficult to establish who is behind it and what their prior reputation might have been. Said "large entities" started out small and unknown until they got known and trusted. Just like, say, LWN or Groklaw. Your whole argument might have had some traction way back before it was groklaw.net, by now it has none whatsoever. Get over it, PJ is much more credible (and important) than you will ever be.
Groklaw shutting down in May Posted Apr 11, 2011 11:54 UTC (Mon) by endecotp (guest, #36428) [Link]
> Said "large entities" started out small and unknown until
> they got known and trusted.
True. The issue is that, for me, an anonymous site like Groklaw fails to make that transition from "small and unknown" to "trusted" because of its anonymity.
> Get over it, PJ is much more credible (and important) than you will
My unimportance, present or future, is not the issue.
Groklaw shutting down in May Posted Apr 11, 2011 12:24 UTC (Mon) by Trelane (subscriber, #56877) [Link]
So "endecotp" == "FlorianMuller" sockpuppet account?
Groklaw shutting down in May Posted Apr 11, 2011 12:40 UTC (Mon) by Trelane (subscriber, #56877) [Link]
Well, the history is longer and more technical than I'd expect from a FM sockpuppet, so it's likely I was wrong.
Whose importance is being compared to PJ's aside from FM's? I guess that's the kernel of what I'm trying to grok.
Groklaw shutting down in May Posted Apr 11, 2011 18:53 UTC (Mon) by endecotp (guest, #36428) [Link]
> So "endecotp" == "FlorianMuller" sockpuppet account?
Don't be ridiculous. (My name is Phil Endecott. Have you googled me yet?)
All I did was note that Groklaw's anonymity had made me uncomfortable; look at the reaction! It's like a sort of "reds under the beds" paranoia - if someone doesn't agree 100% with the group-think, they must be secretly working for the other side. Come on people, get a grip!
Groklaw shutting down in May Posted Apr 11, 2011 19:06 UTC (Mon) by Trelane (subscriber, #56877) [Link]
> My name is Phil Endecott. Have you googled me yet?
Nope; I looked for endecotp on lwn after the initial post, hence the second. Like I noted, the trigger was "my unimportance"; as far as I could tell, it was FM vs PJ, thus it looked like you were replying as FM, which seemed quite odd.
> It's like a sort of "reds under the beds" paranoia - if someone doesn't agree 100% with the group-think, they must be secretly working for the other side. Come on people, get a grip!
I agree.
I rather find the whole thing interesting as both sides go back and forth on the importance of person (who someone is and the people and organizations funding them) versus taking the argument itself without the person. :)
Groklaw shutting down in May Posted Apr 13, 2011 11:09 UTC (Wed) by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458) [Link] Right. As $BIG_NEWSPAPER isn't anonymous in practice (or do you claim to know each and every reporter who writes for yours by name and reputation?)...
Groklaw shutting down in May Posted Apr 14, 2011 14:57 UTC (Thu) by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458) [Link] I apologize, I misread your name as FlorianMueller somehow.
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