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Microsoft kills Hotmail HTTPS access in several countriesMicrosoft kills Hotmail HTTPS access in several countriesPosted Mar 26, 2011 23:51 UTC (Sat) by ringlord (subscriber, #6309)Parent article: Microsoft kills Hotmail HTTPS access in several countries
It certainly is an interesting bit of news, but what has this got to do with Linux (this is LWN, after all)? I would think Slashdot.org has covered this already
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Microsoft kills Hotmail HTTPS access in several countries Posted Mar 27, 2011 1:17 UTC (Sun) by Trelane (subscriber, #56877) [Link]
I would guess this: http://lwn.net/Articles/432797/
> As a result, anybody who has subscribed to an LWN mailing list from a Hotmail account has been unsubscribed. It must be said that we were surprised by just how many of those there were.
Why HTTPS access for hotmail is relevant here Posted Mar 27, 2011 8:07 UTC (Sun) by rvfh (subscriber, #31018) [Link]
I don't read /. and anything related to freedom in the computer world is relevant here.
Microsoft kills Hotmail HTTPS access in several countries Posted Mar 27, 2011 9:24 UTC (Sun) by danielpf (subscriber, #4723) [Link]
Microsoft is THE first Linux opponent. If you think about it, the behavior of Microsoft is probably what gives most of momentum and justification to FOSS. This should be enough for publishing this article here.
Microsoft kills Hotmail HTTPS access in several countries Posted Mar 27, 2011 12:18 UTC (Sun) by oblio (guest, #33465) [Link]
A negative goal is never a good way to live your life. It makes you bitter.
Secondly, this is not Microsoft's fault, they were probably forced to do this.
Microsoft kills Hotmail HTTPS access in several countries Posted Mar 27, 2011 14:39 UTC (Sun) by danielpf (subscriber, #4723) [Link]
"A negative goal is never a good way to live your life. It makes you bitter."
The FOSS movement can be compared to a liberation movement in an oppresive political regime. When people feel their freedom is too restricted some of the people have the need to do something against the oppressive regime. The goal here has nothing like a negative side, and doesn't make people bitter, on the contrary, they get thrilled by the higher value of their actions, and by the fact that they initiate a solution to their problem. As illustration consider the present events in the Arab world.
It's different from, say, the hate against a neighbor which would motivate a revenge. A revenge is rarely solving a problem, while a liberation does.
So your statement is probably too general.
Microsoft kills Hotmail HTTPS access in several countries Posted Mar 27, 2011 15:38 UTC (Sun) by spaetz (subscriber, #32870) [Link]
> The FOSS movement can be compared to a liberation movement in an oppresive political regime.[...]
> So your statement is probably too general.
And your's is likely to bee too simplistic :-). FOSS is too many things to too many people (and firms), to be allow to describes in one simple sentence.
Microsoft kills Hotmail HTTPS access in several countries Posted Mar 27, 2011 16:21 UTC (Sun) by danielpf (subscriber, #4723) [Link]
It's why I used "compared" and not said it is equal.
Microsoft kills Hotmail HTTPS access in several countries Posted Mar 27, 2011 18:45 UTC (Sun) by elanthis (guest, #6227) [Link]
The problem with that line of reasoning is that the concepts and ideals of Free Software (and Open Source) existed long before proprietary software ever existed.
The formalization of the ideas behind FOSS arose in response to the change in the software world towards proprietary, closed products, yes. But FOSS was not a rebellion against those ideas so much as it was a continuation of the older ideas.
(And then there's people like me, who really don't care for Free Software much at all and vastly prefer permissive/liberal licenses, and who are more and more proponents of the Big Evil simply because they polish and improve products while many -- possibly most -- major Open Source projects seem hell bent on getting their crap 80% done, getting bored with bug fixing and polish, and then rewriting everything from scratch for fun while the users are sitting there with their thumbs up their butts wondering when they'll actually have a stable, bug-free, usable piece of software.)
Microsoft kills Hotmail HTTPS access in several countries Posted Mar 28, 2011 12:22 UTC (Mon) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
I've met a lot of free software developers. I have never met one whose reason for doing what he (alas, rarely she) did was 'I want to get back at Microsoft'.
No, it was always for the fun of it, to make better software, because sharing code is easier than locking it away, because you didn't lose everything when you changed jobs: hell, even for the paycheque alone (though that is thankfully rare). But essentially nobody I have ever met engages in a creative act like software development to oppose Microsoft. Lots of Slashdotters think that's why they do it, but as far as I can tell this is a symptom of distance from the code and testosterone poisoning, nothing more.
Microsoft kills Hotmail HTTPS access in several countries Posted Mar 28, 2011 17:52 UTC (Mon) by danielpf (subscriber, #4723) [Link]
One cannot reduce the FOSS movement to developpers only, even if obviously they play a key role. The whole movement results also from non-programmers and companies actually using and distributing the programs, and by that producing feedbacks (tests, manuals) and various stimulations (apraisal, money) to developpers. For these non-developpers the motivations to use FOSS can be very different from the ones of developpers.
Microsoft kills Hotmail HTTPS access in several countries Posted Mar 28, 2011 18:07 UTC (Mon) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
In my experience both as a user and as a contributor in various forms for well over a decade, I have rarely if ever met a single person with a anti-MS position as the primary reason to use FOSS. They might exist but certainly a fringe element. I have seen freedom, flexibility and several other reasons commonly cited and that has nothing to do with any single organization. Reducing it to such low levels is a sham and a poor one at that without any evidence to back up such claims.
Microsoft kills Hotmail HTTPS access in several countries Posted Mar 27, 2011 15:52 UTC (Sun) by cesarb (subscriber, #6266) [Link]
LWN has reported on HTTPS-related things before (for instance https://lwn.net/Articles/392692/ and https://lwn.net/Articles/394289/). LWN has also recently enabled a HTTPS-only mode (https://lwn.net/Articles/428594/), much like the one which was disabled by this "mystery bug".
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