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It's a *fork* of FFmpeg that is becoming libav

It's a *fork* of FFmpeg that is becoming libav

Posted Mar 14, 2011 17:18 UTC (Mon) by jubal (subscriber, #67202)
In reply to: It's a *fork* of FFmpeg that is becoming libav by david.a.wheeler
Parent article: FFmpeg fork becomes libav

for a member of the uninformed public (i.e. me) it looks like the people behind the fork failed to secure the ownership of the ffmpeg.org domain before they executed the coup and now have been forced to rename their fork; I really hope that the whole thing is worth the amounts of drama it generates


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It's a *fork* of FFmpeg that is becoming libav

Posted Mar 14, 2011 17:54 UTC (Mon) by foom (subscriber, #14868) [Link]

Seems kinda like the fork of Hudson to Jenkins that took practically the entire community of developers with it (including the founder, in that case!) leaving behind only Oracle.

It's a *fork* of FFmpeg that is becoming libav

Posted Mar 15, 2011 2:20 UTC (Tue) by donbarry (guest, #10485) [Link]

Or the fiasco of the TWiki.org siteholder taking the trademark
and domain ownership bat and beating the developers over the
head of it, leading the great bulk of developers to found Foswiki.

That's the problem with forced renames, a lot of traction is
found in names which have existed for a while -- two years after
that fork a lot of people still don't know the bulk of the
developer community went into forced exile, because you'll
never find a mention of it on the original site, and it never
got the sort of coverage which *fortunately* the Hudson/Jenkins fiasco
got, and which enabled the vast majority of casual devs, and
even casual users, to start tracking to the successor name.

Of course, the value of an established moniker is one thing that
occasionally encourages someone to make a grab, if it's unprotected,
held by a different structure than the community, or some develop
starry $$$ symbols in their eyes.

It's a *fork* of FFmpeg that is becoming libav

Posted Mar 15, 2011 16:49 UTC (Tue) by job (guest, #670) [Link]

Another example of this is Joomla. Who remembers Mambo anymore?

When the developers are gone, it is just a matter of time before the old trademark is worthless.

It's a *fork* of FFmpeg that is becoming libav

Posted Mar 15, 2011 3:23 UTC (Tue) by iive (guest, #59638) [Link]

@jubal,
You are absolutely right. This is exactly what happened.

It's a *fork* of FFmpeg that is becoming libav

Posted Mar 15, 2011 15:00 UTC (Tue) by jubal (subscriber, #67202) [Link]

OK, so I went through the mailing lists…

I wouldn't count on the coup leaders' ability to manage a project much; all of this has all signs of power struggle rather than anything else. Specifically:

– there are no governance rules set for the new project (aside from the ‘committers are gods and admins are Gods’)
– there are no measurable goals given,
– coup members' communication style still needs some improvement to reach the level of a very impatient high school bully,
– their middle- and long-term planning ability seems to be rather non-existent

On the other hand, the drama is of exquisite mud-slinging kindergarten-quality.

It's a *fork* of FFmpeg that is becoming libav

Posted Mar 15, 2011 10:07 UTC (Tue) by salimma (subscriber, #34460) [Link]

For any project small enough not to have a legal body put in charge, it's probably quite common that the initial leader owns the domain, and any coup attempt would have to find another name.

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