Modularity and Layering

I will ignore both your statement and denial...

And have you probably not listen to what I said...

I would like the Ubuntu system I install, have more of what I want, and less of what they tell me I want.

1) I don't care if they use Gnome, Gnome 3.0, Unity, KDE, etc., etc., etc.

2) I have taken 'gnome' out of Ubuntu and installed other desktops and lost nothing I had installed... And I am not whizz banger saying it can not be done. In your opinion, I am not learned enough to know it can not be done (I am so stupid on that point, I have done it several times)

3) Your arguments and other points about what can and can't be, mean nothing to what I am trying to say. NOTHING...(and as stupid and ignorant as I am, I keep thinking you REALLY know little about computers... read about 'cookies' later on)

Ubuntu does not need an EMAIL system... But, It has one, tightly integrated to the system, and TOTAL REMOVAL over the last versions, including 10.10... causes problems. I am an odd kind of tinkerer and have blown up the system many times, learning some things, that tell me other things will stay, at least partially, in Ubuntu (hence, I have learned 'needed' things and things you can not fix... or, rather, better not, because other things will break).

Why can't they be taken out? I don't know. That was decide by the builders of the system and That, now is how it is. But, there is no other reason to have an email system, other than people want one, and they have the one they want you to have. (and its close integration to the full system.)

I say (email integration aside) There are many other packages that could be our choice. You say that is impossible. It can't be... I use a different email system an have removed "MOST" of theirs, except that which is tightly integrated into the system...

I can also install many other packages, and remove many packages...

And I would like to have it so that at the FULL INSTALL of the system, I get what more closely approximates what I end up with, by allowing me to make those choices at install... Which you say is impossible, because you have to have gnome?

You jump up and down, telling me how nothing can be done, because Ubuntu uses Gnome, all you want.

I say, the option to install (from... get ready... Packages that are already on hand to download, from sources UBUNTU HAS available ONLINE, can be selected by choices made at the time of install, when all dependencies can be selected and downloaded at the same time (they have a package that does the dependencies checks, by the way) and, the install may take a little longer (or not),

OH.. I forgot... Impossible because Ubuntu has to use Gnome... (no it doesn't, But to that point, there is no meaning in what I would like to see...to you, that is)

What I will see, in Ubuntu 11.04, are more things that I don't want to see, and some, I don't want to live through...

With the possible exception of Edubuntu, but... I am still going to have to spend hours putting in what I want (have not used it recently, so I don't know if there is a bunch I will take out... or, even IF I would keep it.

I do know I am not going back to Windows...

So, RANT all you want about Gnome and Ubuntu... Ignore what I have tried to say, and go in peace...

Unity Ubuntu and Gnome are coming to a divergence, at the rate they are going.

Hopefully, they will handle it better that the last little discussion they had, with Banshee...

I remember a discussion I had, many years ago, with 'Authorities of Great Knowledge and Authority' in the Computer Industry. Their point was that Cookies are Harmless... I told them they were going to be a major problem.

Like you and your irrelevant discussions on Gnome, ignored one tenet of computers... If the 'data' is there, there is nothing I can not do to it... And if you are not careful, it can do things back.

Well, believe it or not... Cookies are dangerous. Once in your system, things can be done with them unless precautions are taken, where-by grievous harm can be done to your software, data, and indeed your hardware.

Well, what I am saying is moot. Now...

What I proposed, was, to my thinking, an interesting, and possible idea...

But, you know better, and you insist that all I spoke about was gnome, and you have seen no further. (the gnome was a gloss-over... irrelevant to my point. My point being I was not wanting the plus-imperfect Unity.) PS: Many that think they know, and have been writing articles about Computers, and Linux and Debian and Ubuntu, and even 'Gnome' and getting paid for it (which I am not), have essentially stated Unity is not a fully to term project, and see many growing pains, past the date of release, and there are things they don't like. I am not the only one thinking of not going to 11.04, blindly or slavishly.

I want what I have, in my computer, to be mine. To be what I want, and think, for my purposes, what I need. It is not what they insist I really need, I would like to see it more my way, at install, without having to spend hours fixing everything that they did which was wrong, and also adding what I want... and less about someone 'much more knowledgeable than I, telling me that is impossible because you have to have gnome!! (no matter how irrelevant to the issue, that statement might be)

For example... I was told I have to have Windows... Guess What...

(But, had they not set up Ubuntu the way they did, Look at all the fun I would have missed, tinkering and futzing around... .that is the fun part, really... no matter how many bad words my daughter says I use)