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Commitment to Open (Red Hat News)Commitment to Open (Red Hat News)Posted Mar 4, 2011 20:37 UTC (Fri) by jhubbard (guest, #5513)Parent article: Commitment to Open (Red Hat News)
He'd have been better off saying no comment. There wasn't much of anything in there that wasn't just a sound bite for a press release. Perhaps it's time to take seriously the idea of a meta distribution based on something like Puppet alluded to in a previous article.
I understand that Oracle has basically shown (not just recently but in the past as well) that they're a bunch of douche bags. Do you really want to to resort to being one yourself?
Sorry if the language is offensive, but...
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Commitment to Open (Red Hat News) Posted Mar 4, 2011 20:58 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
My understanding is that Redhat itself does quite a bit of development on code that ends up in Linus' kernel tree. They don't seem to be to afraid of implementing features their first that end up in their 'Enterprise kernels'.
Is that so horrible, is that so small, that you must slander them?
What Redhat did here is just kinda stupid and really isn't going to hinder Oracle in any substantive manner. In fact it just validates what Oracle has been saying all along about Redhat's business model. It's counter productive and may actaully give investors pause. The CTO/CEO or whoever is responsible really has not thought it out very well and He/They just need(s) to remember to trust his engineers. They have the best interests in company at heart.
Commitment to Open (Red Hat News) Posted Mar 4, 2011 21:13 UTC (Fri) by sgros (subscriber, #36440) [Link]
I don't understand your comment about trusting engineers?
Engineers that RedHat has are probably the best. The problem (sort to speak) is that their job is to think about engineering problems, and they we'll indeed do everything to make what they do the best. But sometimes, doing best isn't also the best (or at least is too risky) for the survival of the company which, IMHO, requires another type of thinking... the one that has more to do with strategic decisions and includes more than just engineering stuff.
And, in the end, every engineer will certainly find a job somewhere else. It would be completely different story if the faith of employees would be bound to the faith of the company.
Commitment to Open (Red Hat News) Posted Mar 4, 2011 23:24 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
> I don't understand your comment about trusting engineers?
From the previous article comments it makes it seem that Redhat engineers are not happy about the developments. Redhat management should listen to them and understand why they are unhappy.
Commitment to Open (Red Hat News) Posted Mar 8, 2011 11:53 UTC (Tue) by pbonzini (subscriber, #60935) [Link] > From the previous article comments it makes it seem that> Redhat engineers are not happy about the developments. If you are thinking of this, consider that the sample is necessarily biased. Whoever gave those data was effectively leaking internal information; employees that are okay or neutral about the decision would think twice about that.
Commitment to Open (Red Hat News) Posted Mar 4, 2011 21:34 UTC (Fri) by jhubbard (guest, #5513) [Link]
I don't believe that my comment reached the level of slander. Slander implies that I'm lying about them. I'm commenting on their behavior. Perhaps in UK and other places this might be considered slander. Libel laws in the US are a lot more relaxed. We can actually call people out on their behavior and not get sued for slander/libel.
There are probably a lot of people that would agree that that Larry Ellison is an arrogant douche bag. (I'm sure he's a hero to lots of others.) Oracle and the way it runs seems to exude his personality/style. As a result Oracle as a company seems to be a bunch of douche bags. I think that the exodus of engineers from Sun kind of proves the style of company.
Bob Sutton's book "The No Asshole Rule" discusses the fact that assholes in leadership can result in asshole poisoning. People become assholes because of the environment generated by their leaders.
RedHat is a leader in the commercial opensource world and they didn't get that way by just buying a company with lots of OpenSource projects. As a result they help to set the tone and are able to call people out on bad behavior. If they become douche bags it doesn't bode well that others won't become as bad if not worse.
Let me make clear that I'm not calling the engineers or the general workers at either company douche bags. Unfortunately they have a duty to do what their mgmt wants unless it violates the law.
Commitment to Open (Red Hat News) Posted Mar 4, 2011 23:27 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
> I don't believe that my comment reached the level of slander. Slander implies that I'm lying about them. I'm commenting on their behavior. Perhaps in UK and other places this might be considered slander. Libel laws in the US are a lot more relaxed. We can actually call people out on their behavior and not get sued for slander/libel.
My statement was not dependent on your level of liability in different jurisdictions. I think comparing them to Oracle is unfair.
>Bob Sutton's book "The No Asshole Rule" discusses the fact that assholes in leadership can result in asshole poisoning. People become assholes because of the environment generated by their leaders.
Yes. If a company fails it is because of management. This is obvious.
Commitment to Open (Red Hat News) Posted Mar 7, 2011 13:30 UTC (Mon) by michel (subscriber, #10186) [Link]
The business world is littered with corpses of great engineering companies. Capitalism has a way of doing that.
Commitment to Open (Red Hat News) Posted Mar 7, 2011 14:49 UTC (Mon) by clugstj (subscriber, #4020) [Link]
Failure is a required feature of any system that is to actually succeed. It is the height of hubris to think that any individual/group has all the right answers.
Commitment to Open (Red Hat News) Posted Mar 7, 2011 15:29 UTC (Mon) by michel (subscriber, #10186) [Link]
I agree with both of those statements. I do not understand how those statements relate to my comment though.
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