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Red Hat's "obfuscated" kernel source

Red Hat's "obfuscated" kernel source

Posted Mar 1, 2011 15:38 UTC (Tue) by daniel (subscriber, #3181)
In reply to: Red Hat's "obfuscated" kernel source by BenHutchings
Parent article: Red Hat's "obfuscated" kernel source

As a former Red Hat employee I can confirm that there exist significant elements within Red Hat who maintain an unacceptable attitude towards free software and the free software community. When I was acting as community liaison for Red Hat's cluster group I was specifically directed by a highly placed manager to undermine the community, the OpenGFS group in particular (a directive I did not act on, quite the contrary). In a sales meeting/rally I witnessed the sales manager tell the several hundred people about "piracy" of Red Hat systems. I spoke up on that occasion, saying that there is no such thing as piracy of open source software, that is something that happens to Microsoft. I am sure this comment, however obviously true, was not appreciated. I also was informed of a discussion that had taken place amongst Red Hat management along the lines that kernel developers (such as me) had to be "controlled more". At the time I was being managed by an IT guy who had been brought in from Compaq. Needless to say, that did not work out well at all and neither of us are there any more (possibly having more than half an engineering team walk out would not be helpful to a career trajectory). I also witnessed a highly placed manager much loved by a particular division, assassinated and pushed out of the company by peers who one could describe as, ahem, somewhat less than loved. Well there you have it, Red Hat from the inside. Yes, Red Hat is deeply challenged with respect to community values. Yet it is still a good company relatively speaking and a net positive force for free software. In many cases Red Hat does take the ethical high road, but certainly not in all. I still own all my Red Hat shares, which I think is a pretty clear statement of my overall opinion. But those comparisons between Microsoft and Red Hat? There exists an unsettling grain of truth.


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Red Hat's "obfuscated" kernel source

Posted Mar 1, 2011 16:20 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

In other news, Red Hat employs humans and is large enough (i.e. >1 person) to have office politics. :)

Red Hat's "obfuscated" kernel source

Posted Mar 1, 2011 21:20 UTC (Tue) by daniel (subscriber, #3181) [Link]

You are welcome dismiss such issues if it feels good. However given Red Hat's business model, which depends on our community to reduce its cost of sales, I think that would be naive of you.

Red Hat's "obfuscated" kernel source

Posted Mar 4, 2011 23:06 UTC (Fri) by yuhong (guest, #57183) [Link]

Yea, no company is perfect, and sometimes mistakes happen.

Red Hat's "obfuscated" kernel source

Posted Mar 4, 2011 23:09 UTC (Fri) by yuhong (guest, #57183) [Link]

I think the key thing is if the incompetent people have learned from this or have left the company.
daniel: Do you know?

Red Hat's "obfuscated" kernel source

Posted Mar 8, 2011 7:33 UTC (Tue) by daniel (subscriber, #3181) [Link]

<quote>I think the key thing is if the incompetent people have learned from this or have left the compan. daniel: Do you know?</quote>

Some of the worst offenders are still there. From what I have seen, more competent people have left Red Hat than incompetent. I do not think that is because Red Hat has a surplus of competent people.

Then there are some gems who have arrived, like Ric Wheeler. But does Red Hat management realize how lucky they are and are they willing to give him real power, or will they just abuse him and spit him out as I saw happen to a number of good people when I was there? Let's see.

Red Hat's "obfuscated" kernel source

Posted Mar 1, 2011 18:36 UTC (Tue) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]

> there is no such thing as piracy of open source software

http://gpl-violations.org/

Red Hat's "obfuscated" kernel source

Posted Mar 1, 2011 21:27 UTC (Tue) by daniel (subscriber, #3181) [Link]

First, that page says nothing about piracy so I do not understand why you linked it, and second, copying Red Hat's distribution disks may in no way be construed as piracy, a fact not universally understood by Red Hat management.

Red Hat's "obfuscated" kernel source

Posted Mar 3, 2011 17:46 UTC (Thu) by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458) [Link]

Red Hat's Linux offerings do include certain parts that you aren't allowed to freely redistribute. That they sit on the same DVDs (or even inside the same RPMs) with stuff that you can redistribute freely doesn't allow you to redistribute them.

Red Hat's "obfuscated" kernel source

Posted Mar 4, 2011 15:55 UTC (Fri) by Tet (subscriber, #5433) [Link]

Red Hat's Linux offerings do include certain parts that you aren't allowed to freely redistribute

[citation needed] There used to be an extras disc that contained various non-free apps. I don't know if that still exists. But in the main RHEL, I'm not aware of anything that isn't redistributable. The artwork and logos have restrictions on use, but not on distribution AFAIK. And the various bits of firmware in the kernel have passed the scrutiny of Red Hat's legal team, so although some may claim they're not distributable, it would seem that they are in the real world.

So what are you claiming they are shipping that can't be freely redistributed?

Red Hat's "obfuscated" kernel source

Posted Mar 5, 2011 20:27 UTC (Sat) by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458) [Link]

I'm talking about the logos and the whole branding as Red Hat. It is on the media you get from Red Hat, and you can't redistribute that freely, extra conditions apply. Same as with the Fedora branding, and (presumably) even Debian.

The "extra software" CD that came with early Red Hat distributions (and wasn't on their website) is something entirely different.

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