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RealNetworks asks for hand outsRealNetworks asks for hand outsPosted Aug 6, 2003 17:40 UTC (Wed) by robla (subscriber, #424)In reply to: RealNetworks asks for hand outs by coriordan Parent article: RealNetworks launches Helix Player project Dear Ciaran <sarcastic_rant> If you think the code we've contributed to the community is useless, you wouldn't be alone in underestimating how difficult it is to develop a comprehensive media delivery system. We've contributed a substantial amount of very useful code to the community, and a lot of people are discovering this. I wish you would find a more constructive use of your time than trash talking us in this forum. Rob Lanphier
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RealNetworks asks for hand outs Posted Aug 6, 2003 18:02 UTC (Wed) by coriordan (subscriber, #7544) [Link] Hi Robla,I'm glad to hear you imply that there is at least one free software advocate in there. When this/these free software advocate(s) convince the company to release the codec, I'll be a happy chappy, and will become a RealNetworks advocate (I do post complementary things about MySQL AB, now there's a free software company to rely on!) I dislike RealNetwork's current strategy. The streaming duopoly they have (M$ being the other streamer) allows for consumer lock-in and requires users that want to view streamed video to install proprietary software. Releasing fringe code doesn't change this situation. > I wish you would find a more constructive use of your time Don't worry, it didn't take me long :) Ciaran O'Riordan
Aim gun at foot.... Posted Aug 6, 2003 18:24 UTC (Wed) by cdibona (subscriber, #13739) [Link] For me it's a measure of thier seriousness that they are releasing more code all the time, rather than locking more and more down, which I see as a positive. To constantly question the motives of good works tends to disincentivise companies like real from release more code.I should also point out that real is hardly holding a gun to anyone's head and making anyone use their software (the free bits or the proprietary bits). If you really want free codecs then your time is best spent promoting Xiphs work and frankly doing what you can to enable real to expose whatever code they can, and it looks like you are trying to punish real for trying to make more code free. Chris DiBona chris@dibona.com I should also point out htat I do trust Rob's motives. So long as he's attached to the project, I'd give Real the benifit of the doubt.
Aim gun at foot.... Posted Aug 6, 2003 19:44 UTC (Wed) by erat (guest, #21) [Link] Amen, brother.I find reprehensible the idea that FOSS developers are campaigning in any way to keep folks from joining other FOSS software projects. This is what FOSS development is all about? I see that Mozilla has entered the discussion. I'll remind folks that Mozilla came years after Netscape's proprietary browsers had made a name for themselves, and I'll also remind folks that the opening of the source code did NOT come easilly, nor was it GPL'd quickly. You can't always flip a switch and make something proprietary into a free or open source project. For all we know, RealNetworks doesn't own 100% of their codecs so they can't open up their source code (I am reminded of Caldera's Netware client, which lots of folks pounded on Caldera to open source but was actually licensed from Novell who -- at the time -- had no desire to allow the source code to be released).
Aim gun at foot.... Posted Aug 6, 2003 21:39 UTC (Wed) by TimCunningham (guest, #10316) [Link] > I find reprehensible the idea that FOSS developers are campaigning in any> way to keep folks from joining other FOSS software projects. Heh, yeah, that's never happened before. :)
Aim gun at foot.... Posted Aug 7, 2003 2:44 UTC (Thu) by erat (guest, #21) [Link] Yep, it's happened before... Does that make it right?
RealNetworks asks for hand outs Posted Aug 6, 2003 18:06 UTC (Wed) by busterb (subscriber, #560) [Link] Difficult, but definitely not impossible. MPEG4IP, which is sponsored by Cisco to promote open standards for video streaming, and it works very well, and is completely open-source (codecs and all).http://mpeg4ip.sourceforge.net/ Combine this with Apple's open-source (but not quite free) Darwin Streaming Server http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/streaming/ and the great VideoLan client http://www.videolan.org/vlc/, and you have a more-or-less completly open-source, cross-platform video and audio streaming solution.
No patent grant with MPEG4IP Posted Aug 11, 2003 6:36 UTC (Mon) by robla (subscriber, #424) [Link] You'll notice that MPEG4IP does not grant any patent rights. There's a reason for that...they can't. Cisco (the sponsor behind MPEG4IP) doesn't have the patent rights to do that.Distributing software for which all of the intellectual property is yours to give is very difficult. A big reason why we don't distribute the source code for RealAudio and RealVideo is that it isn't ours to give. We've licensed portions from other companies (e.g. Intel, VoiceAge, and Sony). Rob
RealNetworks asks for hand outs Posted Aug 6, 2003 18:17 UTC (Wed) by TimCunningham (guest, #10316) [Link] Rob: Do you really not see why RealNetworks has a bad name for itself with us? Perhaps instead of mindless name-calling, you could try refuting points and offering evidence...
What namecalling? Posted Aug 7, 2003 8:46 UTC (Thu) by robla (subscriber, #424) [Link] I'm confused. Where did I resort to namecalling? What do you want evidence of?
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