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Copying OSX

Copying OSX

Posted Feb 24, 2011 16:26 UTC (Thu) by jonasj (guest, #44344)
In reply to: Copying OSX by tshow
Parent article: First look at Ubuntu "Natty" and the state of Unity

Sloppy focus and global menu are not necessarily incompatible:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenuBar#focus-follows-mouse


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Copying OSX

Posted Feb 25, 2011 2:12 UTC (Fri) by tshow (subscriber, #6411) [Link]

But that's a terrible idea! It means you get the ugliness that OSX has writ large; input focus is half floating and half click to focus. Which means you'll be happily typing in something and then hit a menu shortcut, and the shortcut goes to some other program entirely that you forgot you left menu focus with.

That happens to me in OSX all the time. I'm on irc, one of my colleagues sends an url. I click on it, it opens in firefox. I use the scroll wheel to scroll through the article, then hit clover-w (close window/tab).

Boom.

I've just killed my irc session, because while scroll focus was floating over the firefox window, the menu focus was still on the last thing I actually clicked on, which was the irc window.

I still get bitten by that several times a day, and I've been on osx essentially full-time since november.

Copying OSX

Posted Mar 1, 2011 15:06 UTC (Tue) by foom (subscriber, #14868) [Link]

Clicking a URL in your IRC client opens it in firefox but doesn't bring firefox to the front? Surely that's a bug in one of the two programs...

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Posted Mar 2, 2011 9:04 UTC (Wed) by jezuch (subscriber, #52988) [Link]

> Clicking a URL in your IRC client opens it in firefox but doesn't bring firefox to the front? Surely that's a bug in one of the two programs...

Absolutely not. You might think that's annoying if you have to switch after clicking, but usually I want to continue reading undistracted until the end of the paragraph that contained the link and *then* switch. If there are more than one link to click, it's even more pronounced.

And it's not an issue in any of those programs anyway. It's the responsibility of the window manager and it's called "focus stealing prevention", most probably as an option :)

Copying OSX

Posted Mar 1, 2011 14:22 UTC (Tue) by nye (guest, #51576) [Link]

'Sorry we shot you in the foot. We can solve it by amputating the leg.'

This is a textbook example of overwhelming UI design failure. If modality is considered bad interface design, multi-modality that differs seemingly arbitrarily according to subtly different contexts purely to work around another design failure is truly execrable. It is an interface that's impossible to use correctly. Whoever came up with this idea should be banned from contributing to any UI design for life.

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