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Banshee Amazon Store disabled in Ubuntu 11.04 by Canonical (Network World)Banshee Amazon Store disabled in Ubuntu 11.04 by Canonical (Network World)Posted Feb 18, 2011 16:27 UTC (Fri) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164)In reply to: Banshee Amazon Store disabled in Ubuntu 11.04 by Canonical (Network World) by anselm Parent article: Banshee Amazon Store disabled in Ubuntu 11.04 by Canonical (Network World)
I wouldn't argue it is illegal for Canonical to do this. And they have every right to try and make money. I do say it is unfair (and I am being very polite right now) to do that by actively taking away the money making capabilities of their upstream (charitable) projects for their own commercial gain.
You argue that the fact they distribute Banshee and in their infinite wisdom have chosen it to be default is plenty to morally entitle them to this income over the Banshee developers. I call bullshit. In no way are they doing this as a favor to Banshee - their users want a good media player, Banshee has developed one, so they ship it. Apple ships apps via the appstore, they do about as much work on 'packaging' and testing as Canonical - probably even more. And their developers are upset about a 30% cut they take off the sales. Now you say 75% is reasonable for Canonical to take off of Firefox and Banshee income?
The relationship between up-and downstream is symbiotic and should go both ways. Distro's should contribute to downstream, it is their life blood. Novell, Red Hat - they do it. Canonical - not only does it contribute little, it actively is taking away resources for downstream. Money that is used to fund hackfests, meetings and more - don't think this money doesn't matter to Banshee or GNOME! This move is bad for the ecosystem and sets a dangerous precedent.
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Banshee Amazon Store disabled in Ubuntu 11.04 by Canonical (Network World) Posted Feb 18, 2011 16:48 UTC (Fri) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link] Remember that we're only talking about the default setting here. People who feel strongly that the kickback should go to GNOME are perfectly free to reset the music store setting to whatever Banshee puts in to begin with. I think it is quite legitimate for Canonical to distribute Banshee just because they are interested in supplying a good music player with Ubuntu. Giving exposure to Banshee is a collateral effect albeit a nice one for the Banshee developers (even though the money issue leaves out the GNOME foundation). Canonical could certainly find another music player and hack that to access their music store if Banshee wasn't available. As far as the 30% cut that Apple takes is concerned, if it was really that upsetting to developers then no one would develop for the iPhone and it would die. The iPhone app developers may bitch and moan but in the end they still seem to be happy to get to keep their 70% or they wouldn't bother. I'm not saying Canonical's 75% is reasonable – I'm saying that, with a freely licensed piece of software such as Banshee, Canonical are well within their rights to set their defaults up any way they please. (Distributions do it all the time with web browsers.) No one is forced to (a) use Ubuntu, (b) use Banshee, (c) get their MP3 files from wherever either Canonical or the Banshee developers say they should get them from. I use neither Ubuntu nor Banshee nor do I buy MP3 files from either of the outlets in question, so I personally don't have a horse in this race.
Banshee Amazon Store disabled in Ubuntu 11.04 by Canonical (Network World) Posted Feb 18, 2011 17:32 UTC (Fri) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
Please, let's keep the easy offtopic punches about any particular entity's level of _overall_ contribution out of it. Throwing in the sidebar comment in your last paragraph like that is only going to serve to have people tune out this discussion who need to hear the message about ecosystem sustainable revenue distribution.
I promise you, there will be a time and a place to bring up that up again and again and again. But right now the underlying issue here as to fair, sustainable,ethical distribution of revenue between non-profit and for-profit entities in the distributed developed software ecosystem is actually really important for the health of the entire ecosystem moving forward.
-jef
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