It's going to take more than voting
Posted Feb 10, 2011 8:32 UTC (Thu) by kleptog
In reply to: It's going to take more than voting
Parent article: Moglen on Freedom Box and making a free net
Hmm, some people would like to live by their own rules on their land. If the country doesn't like it, why doesn't the country pick up and move to land it actually owns (and did not steal from someone else) or where the country is more to people's liking?
Your problem here is that you're seeing the country separately from the people living in it. It's not, you can't move a country without moving the people in it. So the choice becomes you moving or everybody else (who have just as many rights as you) moving. The choice seems pretty clear, don't you think?
Infrastructure simply doesn't get built out of the goodness of people hearts.
Ironic that you should feel that way on a site for free software. :)
The total value of all free software is peanuts compared to other infrastructure. For example: Total estimated value of software in Debian: $1.8B, Total cost of US highway system $425B. Which is but a tiny portion of the costs of all the infrastructure in America. Building software is also a somewhat different proposition to building roads.
Taxation is actually an extremely efficient way of paying for the million and one things the government does.
Yes, theft if [sic] very efficient. Hardly ethical though.
I'll think we'll have to disagree on that. Theft implies you get nothing in return, which is clearly not the case. Also, I said efficient. If you were sent an individual bill for every service the government provided, you'd spend your entire day paying them (or not) rather than doing any work. The only people happy would be the mailmen and the people visiting about unpaid bills. When you're talking about a system of hundreds of millions of people efficiency becomes extremely important.
Not to mention that a large portion of those million and one things includes many things I wish they never did... fighting wars, enforcing horrible laws: copyright and patents..., creating/upholding monopolies, imprisoning people unjustly, supporting foreign dictators, being the largest polluters... I suspect that you would disapprove of some of them too.
That, however, is a particularly American problem. That the US government is fairly broken is well known. It doesn't appear anyone is doing anything about it though. I just disagree that what you're proposing is the only alternative. There are plenty of governments that function better. There are none (AFAIK) that function like you appear to want it too, which indicates to me it's not practical in some way.
ISTM the corporations are screwing you over far harder than the government ever will.
Funny, I can't think of anything else put together, corporations, sleezy salesmen, thieves, foreign dictators... that steal 30% of my income yearly.
That 30% was agreed upon by your elected representatives. Clearly people think its important. (Also, given the budget deficit it doesn't appear to be enough).
The other 70% of your income is being spent on other stuff. Paying tax is just money, which you barely miss. Other than that, you barely interact with the government on a day-to-day basis. Businesses can screw you on a day to day basis. Overpriced crappy broadband. Providing loans to people they know they cannot pay.
While a government in theory could screw you over, they're far to busy doing other things. There are more important things in the world than money.
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