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FOSDEM: Collaboration (or the lack thereof) between distributionsFOSDEM: Collaboration (or the lack thereof) between distributionsPosted Feb 10, 2011 5:39 UTC (Thu) by elanthis (guest, #6227)Parent article: FOSDEM: Collaboration (or the lack thereof) between distributions
I still think it's silly that downstream patches things at all. If upstream needs patches, drop it. If upstream isn't willing to put out quality software, drop it. There are literally thousands of upstream projects which will either (a) shape up quickly if they are forced to do so or (b) die off like they rightfully deserve and probably already mostly have.
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FOSDEM: Collaboration (or the lack thereof) between distributions Posted Feb 10, 2011 7:01 UTC (Thu) by pabs (subscriber, #43278) [Link]
So you want us to drop cron?
FOSDEM: Collaboration (or the lack thereof) between distributions Posted Feb 10, 2011 7:38 UTC (Thu) by spaetz (subscriber, #32870) [Link]
> So you want us to drop cron?
If they don't fix it, yes. There are alternatives out there.
FOSDEM: Collaboration (or the lack thereof) between distributions Posted Feb 11, 2011 11:52 UTC (Fri) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link] Do they support cron's configuration language in every detail at least as well as cron does?
FOSDEM: Collaboration (or the lack thereof) between distributions Posted Feb 11, 2011 20:36 UTC (Fri) by spaetz (subscriber, #32870) [Link]
> Do they support cron's configuration language in every detail at least as well as cron does?
Oh come on. This is like asking for an MSÂ Office replacement that has 100% compatability with .docx files and reads them "at least as well as Word does". Are you serious?
But if you were asking if there are vixie-cron replacements that can basically do everything that cron can do, yes. Personally, I like fcron a lot: http://fcron.free.fr/description.php
Especially on laptops that are not 24/7 on.
FOSDEM: Collaboration (or the lack thereof) between distributions Posted Feb 11, 2011 21:06 UTC (Fri) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
remember that the OP was advocating that the distros should just drop any package that they think they need needs a patch that the upstream doesn't accept.
If the distros are going to do that, then they will not include cron, and any replacement for it had better ber drop-in compatible or you are going to seriously annoy a lot of sysadmins (especially since the uncooperative upstreams will change year to year, so packages will come and go)
not to mention the fact that this would also make these distros not linux, as one of the upstreams that just about every distro patches (with patches that are not acceptable upstream) is the kernel.
FOSDEM: Collaboration (or the lack thereof) between distributions Posted Feb 10, 2011 15:35 UTC (Thu) by cesarb (subscriber, #6266) [Link]
You want to drop the Linux kernel from distributions then?
FOSDEM: Collaboration (or the lack thereof) between distributions Posted Feb 13, 2011 8:51 UTC (Sun) by yoe (subscriber, #25743) [Link]
I'm sorry; but the only thing this post demonstrates is a lack of understanding what it means to package.
As an example: for a long time, cdrecord was the only thing that could write CD's under Linux-based systems. Dropping that was not an option, but it was impossible to usefully package it without patches.
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