> Which confirm brilliantly that this whole discussion is about anglo-saxons
> (and particularly the US-WASP kind) generalizing their cultural and
> religious taboo to the rest of the world.... and rather than seek
> professional help to resolve their issues demand that the whole world
> become as neurotic as they are.
Not really. In a European, North or South American, or Australian context, monotheist christianity has influenced local culture enormously. In North Africa or south-west Asia, Islam would be a dominant cultural influence. In China, Korea, Japan and other parts of South East Asia, taoist/buddhist influences affect people's views of things like violence, sex, alcohol, etc.
So, as a conference organiser, you try to find a sane common denominator. Not the lowest common denominator of "offend no-one" (which some people seem to imply) but a more reasonable "don't do anything which could reasonably be expected to offend". And in different places this will be different things. At a salon for erotica, there will be different rules for decorum (both for participants and attendees) than at an AA meeting.
> that is another example of an US-centric oxymoron.
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> there is always someone that is, on the other hand if it is 'positive'
> to someone, by definition if is 'negative' to someone else.
Ahem. First, I'm an Irishman living in France. Second, I'm a WIC (white Irish Catholic) not a WASP. Third, and most importantly, positive discrimination can be all positive. I get your point, if you're talking about a limited resource like jobs, or places in a college course, where one person getting in implies someone else being kept out. But by bringing more women into free software communities, we're not excluding any men - we're just growing the community. Maybe some behaviour which was OK at 99% male becomes unacceptable at 80% male - honestly, I'm OK with that.
Posted Feb 4, 2011 5:32 UTC (Fri) by shmget (subscriber, #58347)
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"Ahem. First, I'm an Irishman living in France."
Ahem, Well, I'm a Frenchman living in the US, but considering that you are living in france, this quote: "sex & bad language are considered worthy of a 15 or 18 age tag on a film, and blood & gore creeps in under PG-13. Go figure." sound very weird to me. Unless there has been a radical cultural revolution in France, in the past 3 weeks...
"But by bringing more women into free software communities, we're not excluding any men "
Except that this so called 'positive discrimination' has been advanced in support of thing like, among others, http://projects.gnome.org/outreach/women/2006/
"Not really. In a European, North or South American, or Australian context, monotheist christianity has influenced local culture enormously. In North Africa or south-west Asia, Islam would be a dominant cultural influence."
sure, you just named a core reason for the poor treatment and recognition of women in these societies and this has nothing to do with FLOSS.
"Maybe some behaviour which was OK at 99% male becomes unacceptable at 80% male - honestly, I'm OK with that."
In the top 100 of the world chess player there is only 1 woman (Judit Polgar), I wonder what should be done to set straight this clearly misogynistic cabal, after all their numbers are worse than those of the Linux Kernel.
I suppose it is all that sex, booze and bad language at chess tournament that are to blame.