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Quotes of the weekQuotes of the weekPosted Feb 3, 2011 14:08 UTC (Thu) by __alex (subscriber, #38036)In reply to: Quotes of the week by jospoortvliet Parent article: Quotes of the week
This is only a problem if your music player doesn't allow you to inhibit suspend.
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Quotes of the week Posted Feb 3, 2011 14:55 UTC (Thu) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link]
No, it's only a problem if your musicplayer DOES inhibit suspend. I don't want it to - I want my computer to act predictable and how I want it... So when I configured it to suspend when I close the lid, it should suspend. If I don't want it to do that I'll put it in a power management scheme which won't suspend the lid if I close it. I don't want apps meddling with that. Sure, a app should suspend screensaver or suspend when I am watching a video - but when I close the lid, the darn thing should OBVIOUSLY go into suspend...
The whole idea of building heuristics (which will always fail in many situations) for this is stupid, sorry. Good defaults - of course. Trying to out-smart the user in a way that will never fully work and then not allowing the user to fix it - braindead.
Quotes of the week Posted Feb 6, 2011 23:15 UTC (Sun) by gmaxwell (subscriber, #30048) [Link]
Yea, freeking fantastic there. So you've turned the volume (almost) all the way down. A half hour later you toss your laptop into your bag, expecting it to suspend because thats what it always does, latter you open your bag to find that your laptop has become a wad of melted plastic.
Gnome needs to fire all its usability people because they don't seem to understand this simple relationship:
"Always exactly the behavior I wanted" is better than "deterministic but not always what I want" which is better than "sometimes not the behavior I wanted and not deterministic".
One beautiful thing about computers is that they can be pretty deterministic. If something is not always right, but at least consistent we can work around its idiocy. If it's not deterministic then we have to constantly check that it's not screwing us over.
It is usually not a usability improvement to make the machine right a little more often but far less deterministic. A laptop that always suspends on lid closed or never suspends on lid close is not a fire-hazard. Making that depend on an external monitor being connected is probably safe as long as the detection is _very_ reliable (and consistently wrong when its not reliable). Checking to see if a music player is running? I think thats going to ruin a lot of hardware.
Quotes of the week Posted Feb 10, 2011 10:46 UTC (Thu) by __alex (subscriber, #38036) [Link]
I didn't say "if your music player inhibited suspend" I said "if your music allowed you to inhibit suspend." The implication is of course that there would be a checkbox in preferences that would let you manage the behavior.
Generally laptops have thermal cutouts so I'm not sure what this firehazard stuff is a bit silly.
I would prefer to have customizable (yes hahaha this is Gnome, they don't do customizable) automatic suspend behavior over having to manually suspend it myself or having it automatically suspend whenever I close the lid.
Perhaps some sort of global "inhibit suspend" option in the power management applet would accomplish this in a more obvious way than making it a per-app configurable.
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