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Debugging conference anti-harassment policiesDebugging conference anti-harassment policiesPosted Feb 1, 2011 18:48 UTC (Tue) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313)In reply to: Debugging conference anti-harassment policies by dneary Parent article: Debugging conference anti-harassment policies
note that 'acceptable in the workplace' would also eliminate all alcohol from the premises or any related activity.
I don't drink, but I think this would be a MAJOR change to any conference (opensource or not, tech related or not)
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Debugging conference anti-harassment policies Posted Feb 1, 2011 19:22 UTC (Tue) by donwaugaman (subscriber, #4214) [Link]
I'm not a heavy drinker either, but I've worked at several jobs where offsite social events have included alcohol, though usually with a cash bar.
I'd think the analogous setting at a conference, not part of the technical presentation but rather at a time and place designated for socializing either at the conference venue or elsewhere, would be more than acceptable.
Debugging conference anti-harassment policies Posted Feb 1, 2011 22:40 UTC (Tue) by dtlin (✭ supporter ✭, #36537) [Link] On one hand, alcohol seems acceptable in at least some workplaces in the US. Here at Google, there are weekly on-site social events with free alcohol (beer and wine and sometimes more exotic drinks), and individual teams often have their own (whiskey seems popular).On the other hand, my prior workplace was once similar, but banned all alcoholic beverages after an incident with one violent employee. So even in the US, what's acceptable can vary.
Debugging conference anti-harassment policies Posted Feb 4, 2011 23:06 UTC (Fri) by Tet (subscriber, #5433) [Link] 'acceptable in the workplace' would also eliminate all alcohol from the premisesFrom your workplace, perhaps. Not from mine. Note that many countries outside the US have a much more relaxed attitude to drinking at work. It's reasonably common here to drink at lunchtime. Less so while actually in the office, but not unheard of even then. All of which just points to the difficulty of drafting an acceptable behaviour policy when standards of "acceptable" differ so much among attendees.
Debugging conference anti-harassment policies Posted Feb 5, 2011 1:18 UTC (Sat) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239) [Link]
Even my US workplace has reasonable regular in-office events with alcohol. Google's Mountain View (at least) campus has one every week. One of the things I noticed when I moved to the US was that there was a very different dynamic in drinking at work when compared to the UK, but it's not as inherently as puritanical as some people imply.
Debugging conference anti-harassment policies Posted Feb 5, 2011 5:55 UTC (Sat) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
the point is that if you say 'same rules as the workplace' for a conference, for many (but not all) workplaces, this includes no drinking.
yes, it very much depends on the company, but if you are saying that you must meet 'workplace standards' to avoid offending people, don't you have to err towards the stricter workplace standards?
If you don't, then I'm sure you can find workplaces where the types of images that were being complained about here are accepted.
for that matter, what do you think the 'workplace standards' of a porn company are?
Debugging conference anti-harassment policies Posted Feb 5, 2011 5:57 UTC (Sat) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
continuing on 'workplace standards', think about the mandatory dress codes for women in Muslim dominated areas, if you tried to enforce those 'standards' on a conference you would get people even more up in arms
Debugging conference anti-harassment policies Posted Feb 5, 2011 6:19 UTC (Sat) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239) [Link]
You're looking at this in the wrong direction. It's not "Are there companies where this kind of behaviour is unacceptable" - it's "Is an arbitrary company likely to consider this kind of behaviour acceptable". In the majority of the western world you're unlikely to win a lawsuit for constructive dismissal on the basis of being exposed to coworkers being allowed to drink alcohol in specific social situations. Unless you've explicitly chosen to join a company where exposure to sexual imagery is acceptable, an analogous situation would probably result in significant damages.
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