First, let me agree that "please stop discussing whether this was bad because I feel harassed by that meta-discussion" is Right Out; such conversations are a Non-Maskable Interrupt (or, if you prefer Robert's, a Point Of Personal Privilege), and by their nature immune from such things, just as, for example, discussions about ... well, let me not start a meta-meta-argument.
In any event: clearly some of the material was offensive to some people.
Clearly, that wasn't accidental; the speaker chose his material *precisely because* he expected it to evoke a response.
So, the question becomes, should it be reasonable to consider that "harassment"?
While harassment is *generally* targeted at some small number of specific people, it certainly doesn't need to be; it can be targeted at a group, such as homosexuals.
Harassment, though, is generally used to describe a *pattern* of behavior, with what a reasonable man would say was no other specific goal in mind except the discomfort of the targeted person or group.
Neither part of that description applies here: the talk was going to end at some point; there was no reason any specific person had to stay; the discomfort wasn't necessarily *aimed* at any specific group, and there was a completely separate goal: to identify as bad specific situations, and motivate attendees to do something to fix them.
This is not the first time we'll have had a debate here about a topic like this, and this one will likely end poorly as well, with people quoting Derailing For Dummies, and other such tactics which are, themselves, derailing from the actual topic.
My personal reaction, in a one off case like this, is "if you're uncomfortable, leave the damn room". But then, I've always been as much a libertarian as a liberal. :-)
Posted Jan 31, 2011 22:48 UTC (Mon) by emk (guest, #1128)
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I don't understand why speakers at recent technical conferences have been using slides displaying porn or BDSM scenes (if only in PG-13 form) to illustrate their technical points. It certainly increases the emotional content of the presentation, but it in no way improves the factual merit of what is being said. Being deliberately provocative leads to an arms race: Each speaker needs to be a little more outrageous than the last to get any attention. It's better to nip this in the bud, and try to make our arguments compelling on their own merits.
The tradeoffs are different when we're speaking to people we've known for a long time. They know how shocking we are on a day-to-day basis, and will notice when we say something out of the ordinary. But since "unexpectedly shocking" is defined on a per-person basis, it doesn't normally lead to an arms race.
And to speak to the "libertarian" issue: LCA has every right to decide what kinds of presentations are appropriate, and take action accordingly. For example, if I were running a technical conference, I would frown upon some of the slides used in this talk.
Debugging conference anti-harassment policies
Posted Feb 1, 2011 5:08 UTC (Tue) by jdub (subscriber, #27)
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(There are definitions of harassment in which all of this comfortably fits, but I suspect you're better off focusing on the weight of the matter, rather than picking nits with the name of the policy.)
Debugging conference anti-harassment policies
Posted Feb 1, 2011 8:43 UTC (Tue) by epa (subscriber, #39769)
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The infamous CouchDB porn star presentation also had a specific goal in mind (to promote CouchDB and teach about it), would end at a set point, was not forced on anybody, and so on.
Really I think the issue is that personal 'harassment' is a quite separate topic from the content of presentations.
Debugging conference anti-harassment policies
Posted Feb 21, 2011 12:54 UTC (Mon) by job (guest, #670)
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"If you're uncomfortable, leave" pretty neatly sums up the actual problem which these policies aim to solve. Please understand the actual issues here before you form your opinion. Some of us actually want minority groups to feel more welcome, not less. That these issues are completely unrelated to free speech bears repeating.