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You've lost one more possibility.You've lost one more possibility.Posted Jan 26, 2011 23:45 UTC (Wed) by khim (subscriber, #9252)In reply to: Who will pay - this is the question... by bojan Parent article: LCA: Vint Cerf on re-engineering the Internet
So, I have a choice: Sorry, but you forgot one more choice:
3. Forget about crazy site which by someone's folly only have IPv6 address. Because 99% users sites choose option number 3 (DJB plan or no DJB plan) there are no need to think about these silly AAAA-only sites. ISPs know this full well. Right now, the onus of IPv6 upgrade is on each and every customer. And this is not a problem at all: either you have IPv6-capable OS like Windows7 (where you only need to connect to the IPv6 internet to use IPv6) or you have something like PS3 or XBox360 where IPv6 does not work because developers just decided to ignore it. In both cases DJB plan is not needed at all. Sure, if you have large organization you'll need to do something, but "IPv6 works by default" approach will not help there at all: a lot of such organizations (most of them?) disable direct access to internet and ask uses to use proxy with authorization - and all that must be changed for IPv6 anyway.
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You've lost one more possibility. Posted Jan 27, 2011 3:13 UTC (Thu) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link]
> 3. Forget about crazy site which by someone's folly only have IPv6 address.
Folly? You mean the address exhaustion. Yeah, let's do that. That'll work as well as the current plan. Which is to say not work at all.
> either you have IPv6-capable OS
I have an IPv6 capable OS. I have a relatively new DSL router with very young software on it. I have a valid net address. I have my DNS configured. I have my firewall configured. I've been connected to the net for a few years now using the same address. And yet, I cannot ping ipv6.google.com. That is what common sense people call "interoperability failure." I'm sure you'll have some funny explanation for this, full of acronyms like ASIC, FPGA etc. :-)
No, I meant simple fact... Posted Jan 27, 2011 8:58 UTC (Thu) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link] > 3. Forget about crazy site which by someone's folly only have IPv6 address. No, I meant another folly: someone decides to implement IPv6-only resource in an IPv4 world. This is real stupidity and you can safely ignore such people - their resource will be dead very soon anyway. Of course if it's some kind of underground resource and you absolutely positively need to visit it... you'll find a way. Just like people without access to the Internet had a ways to download some files from it (yes, I mean ftpmail and other similar technologies). That'll work as well as the current plan. Which is to say not work at all. It works perfectly. Just like any disruptive technology it starts from the places where IPv4 just does not fit and goes from there. The only problem: IPv4 address are still not scarce enough so there are few such niches. I have an IPv6 capable OS. I have a relatively new DSL router with very young software on it. I have a valid net address. I have my DNS configured. I have my firewall configured. I've been connected to the net for a few years now using the same address. But you don't have an ISP which supports IPv6 - and that is the problem. Everything else is irrelevent and if you'll not have such provider IPv6 will not work. DJB plan or no DJB plan. And yet, I cannot ping ipv6.google.com. That is what common sense people call "interoperability failure." I'm sure you'll have some funny explanation for this, full of acronyms like ASIC, FPGA etc. :-) And you'll insist that somehow it can be solved by the insane DJB plan. You were asked dozen of times: how exactly this plan materialize ISPs with IPv6 routers. You refused to answer. This means one thing and one thing only: you don't know. And if you don't know how this critical part will be worked out with DJB plan then what evidence do you have that it may work?
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