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why delete?why delete?Posted Jan 13, 2011 8:47 UTC (Thu) by michaeljt (subscriber, #39183)In reply to: why delete? by jameslivingston Parent article: OpenStreetMap's point of no return
>> Indeed, is it, being a compilation of facts, subject to any conditions at all? ... If not, why does it matter whether they agree to anything?
> That's one of the really messy things, it greatly depends on jurisdiction. Some places you can't copyright facts, some you can if they've collection into a database. Some places you can copyright the database, some places have sui generis database rights, some have neither.
I wonder whether they really need to have the data protected in all jurisdictions? I presume that what they want is to prevent evil people incorporating the data into their own, closed offerings. But I would have thought that if said evil people could then no longer offer what they have in some important markets they might well decide that it isn't worth it anyway.
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why delete? Posted Jan 13, 2011 15:45 UTC (Thu) by spaetz (subscriber, #32870) [Link]
> I wonder whether they really need to have the data protected in all jurisdictions?
Yes, you need that. Otherwise, evilcorp downloads a dump of the OSM data from LaxCountry where the data is in the public domain. Then evilcorp can claim full copyright over the data and make it proprietary.
Just ensuring that something stays in the public domain is very hard :-)
why delete? Posted Jan 13, 2011 15:52 UTC (Thu) by michaeljt (subscriber, #39183) [Link]
>> I wonder whether they really need to have the data protected in all jurisdictions?
> Yes, you need that. Otherwise, evilcorp downloads a dump of the OSM data from LaxCountry where the data is in the public domain. Then evilcorp can claim full copyright over the data and make it proprietary.
But in places where it is protected, surely you would be able to say "you downloaded that data from us in a place where that was allowed, but you can't offer anyone in this place, where it isn't allowed, access to the proprietary database you included it in." Given my limited knowledge of the subject that is no more than a hypothesis of course.
why delete? Posted Jan 15, 2011 2:12 UTC (Sat) by rahvin (subscriber, #16953) [Link]
I believe you are correct under US law. Just because you can buy a bootleg DVD in Hong Kong doesn't mean you can legally import said bootleg into the US and you would likely be in violation of US law for attempting to do so.
why delete? Posted Jan 20, 2011 23:53 UTC (Thu) by emj (guest, #14307) [Link]
The only problem is that the US doesn't have DB copyright.
why delete? Posted Jan 13, 2011 17:28 UTC (Thu) by epa (subscriber, #39769) [Link] Copyright doesn't work like that. Steamboat Willie is in the public domain in many countries, but you cannot somehow launder it through a different country and then re-import it to the USA.
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