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fx: look towards the future
fx: look towards the future
Posted Aug 2, 2003 19:15 UTC (Sat) by walterbyrd (guest, #11620)In reply to: Screw Sun by fx
Parent article: Sun Sees Road To Prosperity Paved With Its Own Products (TechWeb)
64-bit processors from AMD, INTC, and Motorola, have just come out in the last year. Many enterprise level features for linux have also just come out in the last year. These 64-bit processors, and enterprise level features may not have all that dramatic an effect on sunw yet. But what about over the next few years? Fair to say this will eat into sunw's already diminishing market share?
Sunw products, like java and solaris, won't go away any time soon. Sunw may return to true profitability. So, okay, I may have overstated my case when I called sunw another failing unix company. But, is it fair to say that sunw won't see much dynamic growth any time soon?
Sun makes some good stuff, but so did DEC, so does SGI. Making good stuff is not enough to insure a good future.
Also, McNealy is a disgrace. In his desperation he is forging alliances with the scum of the IT world (scox). He is talking out of both sides of his mouth about oss. And he is making under-handed, often personal, attacks about his competition - boasting the he completed harvard while gate and ballmer dropped out (who cares?). I think sunw's hp-away away campain may have back-fired: hp issued a news release slamming sunw for their attacks. Sunw's "blue-away" campaign may back-fire also.
I don't know how much it affects sunw's future, but let's face it: mcnealy is a smarmy ass. Everything he says seems to be an arrogant, smug, mannar. He is constantly gloating and insulting, and generally just making an ass of himself.
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fx: look towards the future
Posted Aug 2, 2003 20:31 UTC (Sat) by fx (guest, #12077) [Link]
There is still a very big gap between SUN material and anything available on Intel/AMD. It's not just the CPU, it's the entire design of the machine (RAS features for example). Of course it's not Linux's fault Intel based equipment generally sucks.I think SUN's HP-away campaign is 100% on target. Alpha/Tru64 customers are confronted with a dead-end platform and all HP can suggest is a migration to PA-RISC, which is a dead-end as well, or a migration to Itanium which is an immature platform and another potential trainwreck. Compare that to Sparc/Solaris with over a decade of backward compatibility and a nice long roadmap into the future.
Yes, McNealy is arrogant.
fx: look towards the future
Posted Aug 3, 2003 7:13 UTC (Sun) by fx (guest, #12077) [Link]
Where do you see a diminishing SUN market share BTW ? Over the last couple of years SUN has done nothing but eating away market share from it's competitors.
fx: look towards the future
Posted Aug 3, 2003 14:38 UTC (Sun) by walterbyrd (guest, #11620) [Link]
From what I can see, sunw is barely holding it's own against HP and IBM. There is this article from a few days back:http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7BCAD48FC8-1EBF-4496-AC0F-4FB0FC869E24%7D&siteid=google&dist=google
But, I was really discussing the threat from Linux, FreeBSD, and even MS-Windows. All of those OSes are growing, while all the proprietary UNIXes seem to be shinking.
fx: look towards the future
Posted Aug 4, 2003 14:00 UTC (Mon) by fx (guest, #12077) [Link]
SUN is doing quite well compared to HP and IBM. What you're looking at are server sales including Intel equipment. These numbers are not very meaningful. Of course there are a countless number of 1U or 2U low-end systems shipped running NT or Linux, but that's not SUN's real market.There are numerous other recent articles that'll tell you SUN is holding quit well. What's more important: during the .com boom SUN has taken a very big chunk of the UNIX market away from IBM and HP.