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The dark side of open source conferences

The dark side of open source conferences

Posted Dec 3, 2010 5:30 UTC (Fri) by njs (guest, #40338)
In reply to: The dark side of open source conferences by alankila
Parent article: The dark side of open source conferences

> By this point the language on that page has got so diluted as to seem meaningless. Cis-privilege? Trans-phobia? Oh dear. I'm pretty sure this is "phobia" in same sense that "racism" is about race these days.

That is an excellent bit of deduction you have performed, determining what people who have lived through stuff mean on a subject that you admit you have no knowledge of whatsoever.

Seriously, even if you don't have any trans friends who are willing to explain this stuff (like they have to do every day), there is this thing called the internet. If you want to learn what it's like to be trans, you can find that out really easily.

I do admit that your approach (make decision, *then* acquire facts) is quicker, though.

> What is the ultimate aim for the people who wish to dilute the concept of gender? Because I can't make heads or tails out of this.

To live their lives, I think. (Note: their lives are different from your life.)


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The dark side of open source conferences

Posted Dec 3, 2010 19:55 UTC (Fri) by AdamW (guest, #48457) [Link]

thought experiment, here: if you came across a new programming language or a new startup process or a new desktop environment and it used some terms you weren't familiar with, would you:

a) immediately decide that it was some kind of politically-correct conspiracy theory and the new terms were just silly jargon

b) look up the terms and figure out what they meant

Hmm, tricky one, there. Areas of interest tend to generate their own vocabulary. We talk about 'shared libraries' because we don't want to rewrite 'compilations of common functions that can be used by multiple external pieces of code' too often. To someone outside the field, 'shared library' is either a meaningless piece of jargon or a place you can go and get books. Are we muddle-headed politically correct conspiracies nuts? No, we're a special interest group with its own vocabulary. Why is it such a problem when the interest in question is prejudice against minority genders?

The dark side of open source conferences

Posted Dec 3, 2010 21:35 UTC (Fri) by alankila (subscriber, #47141) [Link]

I did spend some time looking through this stuff after I made my original comment that was the first time I hit these terms. My bewilderment was of course treated as some kind of calculated insult rather than understood by the people who directly responded to me.

I learnt a few things, along those the primary understanding that there is nothing I could possibly say that would not be attacked on this topic, because I fundamentally do not use language the same way that people do who care about this topic. It's easier just to let it slide.

The dark side of open source conferences

Posted Dec 4, 2010 15:27 UTC (Sat) by ofeeley (guest, #36105) [Link]

So, you've been busy using the phrases you pointed out "cis-privilege" and "transphobia" for a while and hear them used in other contexts commonly and thus came away bewildered? Poor thing. Someone is obviously trying to make your head spin.

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